Aug. 11, 2022

89: Mo' Problems, Mo' Money - Understanding On-Call Pay for the Police

89: Mo' Problems, Mo' Money - Understanding On-Call Pay for the Police
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Community Education

Recently, a 12-member jury delivered a verdict against officers of the Louisville (Kentucky) Metro Police Department's SWAT team. The lawsuit was filed by the officers in 2016 and sought millions of dollars of back pay for "on-call" time, dating back to 2002. The case garnered much attention in the police world based upon its potential impact to work-life balance, as well as the ability to obtain additional compensation for special skills and assignments while in service to their communities.

To help listeners to better understand the concept of police officer on-call pay, the guys discuss some of the common conditions that officers are paid to be “off duty” but still on “standby” for public safety emergencies.

They also provide some of their personal experiences, compensation expectations and further discuss some of the possible implications created by the jury’s decision.

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yeah

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hey everybody welcome back to another

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episode to three cops

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been paying attention that's a new musical intro for us i'm not sure

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i just reached out to a guy was a classmate of mine from all his name is joe clark that's

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oh

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he's honestly our entire existence

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yeah

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was always a great musician and he stayed with that for the rest

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yeah

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of his life i mean he definitely could have gone to a place where it was much more art

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than the citadel was in the eighties but joe can't thank you enough for that recording

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got this

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like

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because what do you think and i'm like i think it's free

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right

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it

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sounds

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did sound good

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really good what i mean and and joe has a club down here

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yeah

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that you know when he gives me permission to talk about i'm gonna if our vein charleston look him up is name joe clark big band

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or big band

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joe clark he's

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joe

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enough

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for that great

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like

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get to

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seriously

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finish the jam that i was doing on my cassio

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key board that i had had put together

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yeah

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anything online i was

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uh

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and they haven't

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so

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yeah

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i burned through like eighty dollars worth of batteries

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in two hours so it's

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yeah

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buying

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batteries

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like hey we're not really effective at this you always so many batteries

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uh

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it to them and they're like

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oh

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okay

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see

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keyboard was under my arm at the at the hardware store so

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you answer the door

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like

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no you know

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cross

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with

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and you're

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yeah

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playing in the front and

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the you swing it behind you

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i

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had like the next trap like the band

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in revenge of the nerves i was

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yeah

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holding it like i was standing up

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straight and

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yeah

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oh

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was just

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right right

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right

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was

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right

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just

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we're like

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walking around the house with it like

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m

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uh

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in king in tinting

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or a

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yeah

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which all

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god

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it would be

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oh

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an awesome band name

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but

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right

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yeah yeah

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uh h

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obviously this is shown you heard me obviously

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oh

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chime in here right away i needed to jump right on

[scott]:

right

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

thanking joe for that great addition to the show

[scott]:

yeah

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and the you know

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right

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new

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yeah

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voice over

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yeah

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in the beginning we're working on that as well you can hear the polish fog down there

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he

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from florida joining

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you actually

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us

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mash you actually mash

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and rich uncle chris is back and helping and

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right

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doing good things and always

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deals

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got

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deals

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deals and then obviously

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deals

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deals

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there's

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yeah

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big saret scott

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yeah

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dale's got the

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oh

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big sergeant scott is joined us again for the

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yeah

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yeah

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obligatory put down of the great state of illinois so

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the whipping boy

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okay all right

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go

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here's here's my my latest illinois rant

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oh

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so i went to rent well it's

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oh

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not a rant i mean you can you've you've hearing about this all around the country but in illinois

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oh

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i went to

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h

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rent a car holler like a flat car haller trailer to take

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h

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a car out

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oh

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actually to kansas

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oh

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and you know

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oh

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this this

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was actually just a refrigerator

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uh

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you were

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right

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taking out there

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you

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oh

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and so

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ah

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don't have to take

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oh

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the

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yeah

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doors

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yeah

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off the transport

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yeah yeah

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it's got you know

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yeah so so i'm a couple of

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oh

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weeks out from

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ah

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this trip and i'm

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ah

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looking on the u hall website

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oh

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and hey there's a million you know

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yeah

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there's plenty

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oh

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of car haulers

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yeah

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hey everything is available there's a couple of uhl places

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yeah

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around

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oh

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by nobody deal of course i get like side tracked and it's probably something related to cars

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yeah

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m

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and i don't book it and i you know

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m

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week goes by

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yah

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yeah

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and i'm thinking ship i got to get i got to get this i

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oh

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got get this thing booked like i got move this car out there on a certain date so

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oh

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i go back on

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oh

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and i'm

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oh

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putting in the same exact thing and zero

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oh

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and now it's like

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yeah

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wait a second the two big places by my house they got

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oh

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nothing one place next town over nothing

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oh

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five miles north nothing i'm like what the hell i'm like there's got to be something going on with the website and

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ah

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no it's actually that so i did find one but it was like four tons away so i went quick booked that one

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oh

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and

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yeah

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got it locked in but

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yeah

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i wound up taking the car out and whatever and i and i dropped the trailer off it was a one

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yeah

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way that's that's

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yeah

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the whole point here is that it's one way

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my

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leaving illinois so the whole thing is is

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there

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at

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you go

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people are renting all this hall equipment to flee out of this state and then there's

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oh

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nothing left

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oh

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here so even even the two guys that were unhooking

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ye

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the trailer and

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oh

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taking it for me when i got out to kansas they were laughing

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they're like

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m

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they're like where did you come from i said oh just outside of chicago

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hm

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oh yeah everybody's coming out this way i guess you're just

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ye

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leaving it here you're not going back right and i'm like well i'm like no unfortunately

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oh

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have to go back

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ye

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but no

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m

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the trailer

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oh

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will stay here so

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yeah

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that's my

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right i mean it's it's

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yeah

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to the point where you're using like you know oxen to

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right

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pull things out of illinois right now it's that bad people are looking to go like the donner party or something like that

[chris]:

yeah

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know t's funny like with you all you know like like it was fascinating obviously you guys make fun of me about history and weird facts

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oh

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and things like that but the hall at the side of the uholtrucks point out these like like

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oh

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did you

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oh

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know

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yeah

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this

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right right

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about

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m

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states

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utah or did

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right

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you know this about new mexico and i was like i was like a well these are kind of like

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yeah

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safe they're very you know antiseptic

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yeah

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things like yeah do you know that fireflies do

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oh

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this and i was like you

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oh

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want to show cool

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no

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stuff like you know you hall wisconsin and you show milwaukee

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oh

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and it's jeffrey

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yhwatwhat

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dummer like you know eating a guy or something like that like while you're trying like like

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well

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did

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what

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i just see that

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what

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like you know did you did you know did you know that jeffrey yammer

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oh

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was a honorably discharged

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oh

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from the united states army that's the little

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right

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fact on the side of it but it's like the fanning of him like eating

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yeah

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some

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yeah

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guy

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it's like a

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you know

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refrigera

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what

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ye

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i mean like singing a dog's head

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he's

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with a

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opening

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rock

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the freezer

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as

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there's a bunch of heads in the

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yeah

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freezer like that's the picture on this side of the

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right

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u

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oh

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now what it making or like i said earlier like the you know like the

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m

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donner party like when they got to

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m

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the

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yeah

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salt flats like the great salt flats whatever the city whatever states they are in like

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yeah

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like and and there's like a picture

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oh

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of them did you know that the thigh is the most tender

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oh

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meat of human kind of a thing like

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it's like

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and they got the people sitting around eating each other

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m

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you know

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like the

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the cannibals

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old like

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you know

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the like the oregon trail game and

[chris]:

yeah

[scott]:

they're like you have died of dysentery

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yeah

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it says on the side of the hall like

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dissentery

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oh

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right right

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you

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right

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have died

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right

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of

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right

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dysentery

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right right

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like

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right right

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we almost

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right

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made it i

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yeah

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think i

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it's

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think you should

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you know

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come

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it's

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up with and do

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oh

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yeah

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some mac ups of some new

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oh

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marketing edgy like you said edgar you

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yeah

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want to

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wedgyear

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be edgy

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right

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that's that's edgy right there you want

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little

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the

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ahead

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or

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guy

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like

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that

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keep my

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yeah

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attention

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if you want to put

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keep my attention while i'm sitting and

[scott]:

right

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waiting for seven hours for a flat trailer

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right

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to transport

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i

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uh

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can

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my ship

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see

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out

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you

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of

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in

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illinois

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like a

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right

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like

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i mean

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a sales

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or whatever

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pitch meeting at you hall and you you're flipping you've got your different

[shaun]:

right

[scott]:

cards

[chris]:

h

[shaun]:

right

[chris]:

ah

[scott]:

and like

[shaun]:

right

[scott]:

here's the card of

[shaun]:

right

[scott]:

the jeffrey damer sconsin

[shaun]:

right

[scott]:

why here's

[chris]:

no

[scott]:

the

[chris]:

he

[scott]:

one

[chris]:

would use an overhead

[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

projector here's my

[shaun]:

right

[chris]:

slide here's my next slide here's my next

[shaun]:

right

[chris]:

slide

[shaun]:

right slides on

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

that right

[chris]:

you have

[shaun]:

i'm just

[chris]:

an

[shaun]:

like rubbing

[chris]:

overhead

[shaun]:

it off

[chris]:

by

[shaun]:

like

[chris]:

chance for

[shaun]:

you

[chris]:

this

[shaun]:

know

[chris]:

meeting

[shaun]:

cleaning it off like

[scott]:

oh

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

right

[chris]:

my god

[shaun]:

right right right yeah but i mean it's like you think about like what's goin on with what people are willing to spend to get out

[chris]:

well

[shaun]:

of the state

[chris]:

well

[shaun]:

of illinois

[chris]:

somebody said

[scott]:

it

[shaun]:

it's

[scott]:

is

[chris]:

that

[scott]:

true

[shaun]:

crazy like

[chris]:

somebody said that

[shaun]:

look

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

people

[chris]:

but

[shaun]:

don't

[chris]:

somebody

[shaun]:

wan to acknowledge

[chris]:

said

[scott]:

oh

[chris]:

that there's

[shaun]:

it

[chris]:

like allegedly like when if you mark your illinois tax return your final return or some type of penalty for

[scott]:

yeh

[chris]:

moving

[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

out or something i didn't look i mean

[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

i just whatever they i

[scott]:

there

[chris]:

owe to

[scott]:

was

[chris]:

my

[scott]:

there was

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

talk

[chris]:

it was worth

[scott]:

of that and there

[shaun]:

really

[scott]:

was also there was also i heard this

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

again recently i don't think it's getting any traction

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

here hopefully but there was talk of illinois

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

proposing some type of tax that you if you move like for you guys that are

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

collecting pensions

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

from this state out of state that they were going to basically hit you with like an

[shaun]:

ah

[scott]:

exit tax because you're going to your pension and leave the state and go spend your money somewhere else

[chris]:

yeah that will never

[scott]:

hopefully

[chris]:

happen

[scott]:

hopefully that does not

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

happen

[chris]:

m

[scott]:

in the next two is years for me but

[chris]:

no

[scott]:

when

[chris]:

it'll

[scott]:

when

[chris]:

never

[scott]:

you when

[chris]:

it'll

[scott]:

you hear but when you hear that you

[shaun]:

h

[scott]:

always got to think

[chris]:

right

[scott]:

especially

[shaun]:

h

[scott]:

in this state

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

if somebody

[chris]:

right

[scott]:

saying you know if you're here and getting wind of that it's because somebody has brought

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

that up

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

as you know another

[chris]:

right well the

[scott]:

way

[chris]:

tax

[scott]:

to

[chris]:

code

[scott]:

tax people

[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

yeah the tax codes clear pretty much wherever you

[scott]:

oh

[chris]:

get wherever you make the main sure of your income that's where you pay tax so

[scott]:

oh that's

[chris]:

good

[scott]:

good

[chris]:

luck with that democrats ain't goin to happen

[scott]:

yeah

[chris]:

suckers

[scott]:

yeah yeah i am not planning to leave

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

why did you immediately assume that was democrats

[chris]:

i'm sorry

[scott]:

how

[shaun]:

chris

[chris]:

did

[scott]:

dare

[shaun]:

why

[chris]:

i say

[scott]:

you

[chris]:

that out

[shaun]:

did

[chris]:

loud

[shaun]:

you why did you make that kind

[chris]:

did i

[shaun]:

of

[chris]:

say

[shaun]:

we're

[chris]:

that out

[shaun]:

bringing

[chris]:

loud

[shaun]:

people together here

[chris]:

i'm sorry

[shaun]:

you why why are

[chris]:

i'm sorry

[shaun]:

you why are you saying that

[chris]:

because it's

[shaun]:

come

[chris]:

a democratic

[shaun]:

on

[chris]:

run state

[shaun]:

it's just it just happens to be like right now it's

[scott]:

ye

[shaun]:

it's it's just happens to be the fact that a lot of the blue states which blue means not police but blue

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

means democrat

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

like there's pros and cons everything you look at with that like i moved down to a red state you know florida

[scott]:

so

[shaun]:

at times can go back and forth like illinois used to but

[scott]:

i

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

it's a straight up red state i mean there are things that you long for when you a blue state i'm gon to be honest with you people will knock labor

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

unions big time like oh labor unions is they're ruining america they're doing this well guess what you know

[chris]:

yeh

[shaun]:

i come out of college

[scott]:

yes

[shaun]:

with a degree in this and i didn't go to a college that matt any any differently from anybody else

[chris]:

ah

[shaun]:

there's no jobs in labor unions any more it's hard to get them or the labor unions are hurting like everybody else

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

to get

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

quality people because we've convinced people young men particularly you need a job when you're

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

in your twenties to you know not going to debt for the rest of your life and instead

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

you know you come out of college with two fifty thousand

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

dollars hanging over your head you're like discernable skills like like do you know where the poo

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

go when you flush the toilet ask a young man that that just graduated from college he's going to be like

[chris]:

where do you come

[shaun]:

down

[chris]:

up with

[shaun]:

the

[chris]:

these

[shaun]:

toilet

[chris]:

analogies

[shaun]:

hat's all he's going to tell you like

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

the idea but i mean like these but these are the things that you think about like like there are i'm not saying like

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

i am the true

[scott]:

ah

[shaun]:

measure of masculinity in any

[scott]:

you

[shaun]:

stretch

[scott]:

are

[shaun]:

of imagination but

[chris]:

well

[scott]:

you are

[shaun]:

like

[chris]:

you are

[shaun]:

scott and i

[chris]:

you are

[shaun]:

right anyway that's the case we're doomed um i

[scott]:

eh

[shaun]:

weep for the future but like scott and i like when we used to do work in the drug unite together we had a lot of younger officers that worked

[scott]:

what

[shaun]:

particularly everybody is younger than me

[scott]:

like

[shaun]:

but when we worked in that unit be like we would you know go through the investigation

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

do what you need to do you know the suspect would come and deliver drugs in a car and the

[scott]:

ye

[shaun]:

car at the time was subject to seizure

[scott]:

are

[shaun]:

well in the car had that third pedal in

[scott]:

pray

[shaun]:

it probably eighty percent of the unit couldn't drive the car away

[chris]:

hm

[shaun]:

from the scene because they're

[scott]:

we

[shaun]:

like

[scott]:

need a to

[shaun]:

the just got a third

[chris]:

uh

[shaun]:

pedal in there what does that thing for is it like we need

[chris]:

h

[shaun]:

to know it's like it it's

[scott]:

what

[shaun]:

like

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

it's a clutch

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

you know what i mean like you're a grown

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

man

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

you don't know how to drive a clutch about that i thought it the army switched away from that like the duke and a half used to be like a clutch truck was great

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

like you know you're not down shift in wherever everything's an automatic transmission right now the biggest trucks that they got that way but guys don't now how to like ask you guy if he knows how to ride a horse like if you had it survive like when the electro magnetic pulse finally happens and

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

all

[chris]:

my

[shaun]:

the

[chris]:

god

[shaun]:

battery

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

cars blow up and there

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

are no cars left

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

or you're waiting for forty minutes to get there for like a forty minute charge

[scott]:

h

[shaun]:

on your tesla

[chris]:

no

[shaun]:

and you're like well what else can i use you're like well we don't have elephants we can ride on that team it would be a lot of fun

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

m

[shaun]:

and like you can't you know you know you can't ride rinnoseris like it

[scott]:

m

[shaun]:

is in

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

some sort of a you know napoleon dynamite type fantasy you could ride a horse like could you ride a horse could you get a horse ready to run this is what men just you know less than fifty years ago used to do men can't do it can you change a freaking

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

tire on

[scott]:

that's

[shaun]:

a car

[scott]:

a tough

[chris]:

uh

[scott]:

that's a that's a tough

[shaun]:

it's

[scott]:

one

[shaun]:

just like

[scott]:

nowadays

[shaun]:

no they don't like

[chris]:

i could

[scott]:

that's

[chris]:

but

[scott]:

not

[chris]:

i

[scott]:

a

[chris]:

hire

[scott]:

lot of

[chris]:

somebody to do it

[shaun]:

right but now you but now you go back to

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

like i said what you're taking about originally like

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

the idea of you know how do i make money what do i do to make money and the tings that are going on labor unions are now on the diet on the vine you

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

come to a red state right to work states it work state tells you this

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

yeah it's a right to work stay you know what a right to work means they can end the relationship and you can end the relationship at any time you as a worker and they as an employe it's like well is there reason that i could lose my job now

[scott]:

no

[shaun]:

and they look at jenrys just kind of like cool and i'm like wait a minute

[scott]:

i

[shaun]:

so if you don't like me you can just say you're gone and they're ike yeah that's funny don't

[scott]:

i

[shaun]:

come down here with your yankee ways i'm like what do you mean like dignity and respect

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

in

[chris]:

but

[shaun]:

the workplace

[chris]:

still

[shaun]:

like having to have cause

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

before you fire on one and then the flip side is they threaten you with it and then they never

[chris]:

ah because

[shaun]:

fire

[chris]:

you

[shaun]:

anybody

[chris]:

still have to

[shaun]:

for

[chris]:

have

[shaun]:

anything so you're like hey dude

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

you realize

[scott]:

i mean you still got to

[chris]:

still

[scott]:

have some

[chris]:

have

[scott]:

kind

[chris]:

to have

[scott]:

of

[chris]:

cause

[shaun]:

you realize that you need a pen a

[chris]:

it

[shaun]:

yeah right but still it's like when you walk into that and they say to you like well we can fire you for any reason you're like wow okay cool i mean i'm not going to give you tryin give you a reason but what's the

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

reason and they're like

[scott]:

you keep

[shaun]:

well

[scott]:

showing up to work with no

[shaun]:

you

[scott]:

pants

[shaun]:

know

[scott]:

on we really this is kind

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

of more of a pants

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

kind of place

[shaun]:

right right right

[scott]:

so

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

kind of pants

[chris]:

ah

[shaun]:

you yankees coming down

[chris]:

hm

[shaun]:

here

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

with pants on

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

and all don't start

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

your traffic circles

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

traffic

[shaun]:

and pants

[scott]:

circles

[shaun]:

and

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

stuff like that

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

no

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

and again look

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

look i don't care what anybody

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

says men don't everyone but i'm talking about me

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

because here's three men here three cups talbeas three men talking

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

and i'm gonna say to you we have gotten away within one

[scott]:

that

[shaun]:

generation of saying you don't now cessarily need to go to college unless college is going to make

[chris]:

m

[scott]:

yeah

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

that much of a difference in your life for what you do they say the vast majority of jobs

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

in the united states do not require a college

[chris]:

and you see

[shaun]:

degree for

[chris]:

a

[shaun]:

you

[chris]:

lot

[shaun]:

to

[chris]:

of

[shaun]:

have

[chris]:

people

[shaun]:

that

[chris]:

are going away from it

[shaun]:

so

[chris]:

anyway

[shaun]:

when you come in with

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

m

[chris]:

you'll see it

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

right absolutely right now places like my college offer

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

you something so different that it will be worth the money that you spend there but the bottom line

[chris]:

ah

[shaun]:

is is that if you don't

[scott]:

ah

[shaun]:

like you come in with

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

a job like and you're thinking well you

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

know i'm on a get paid for every hour that i work will you go into

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

management

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

that ain't the case right

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

you guys corectmeifim on its

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

a salary position you have the benefits and things like you make more money but you can

[scott]:

funny

[shaun]:

infinitely make more money as an hourly

[scott]:

hm

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

employe with a skill like like i said before the even the united states

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

army looks at it said well there's officers and then there's the enlisted and then there these guys in the middle that we call warrant officers which are

[chris]:

my

[scott]:

a

[shaun]:

they're in charge of things but it's much more technical things than they are of people and that's kind of like where cops are it's like that job of like you're comin to this and everybody say you're coming into this now an you're not getting rich it's like yeah but it doesn't mean that i can't make good money or shouldn't make good money doing this this is

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

an important job and you know why i'm going with this is that recently if you've been paying attention to any police related

[scott]:

m

[shaun]:

stuff there's a big thing at least that should be you

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

know important cops to pay attention to in

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

kentucky louisville the louisville sat team in twenty sixteen filed a law suit about on call money basically what on call means we're here to talk to that about people with what means

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

like you know people at work

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

in the business sector i go i'm always call my phone is always going off i'm not getting paid for that

[scott]:

no

[shaun]:

um you know and then you know we'll talk a little bit about that but the idea that you know if you're on call what does that actually mean within our profession

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

what does that mean within our profession

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

within certain jobs and then

[chris]:

it

[shaun]:

you know what does that mean to cities that are struggling

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

to make ends

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

meet financially um and you know

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

these pay incentives

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

to attract police officers are are things that are difficult

[scott]:

what

[shaun]:

so that being said what had happened in twenty sixteen was that the louisville police

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

department the sad officers

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

you

[scott]:

a

[shaun]:

know you re you're a non call team like there was half the team was on call half the team was not and then during that time that two weeks period you could

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

actually you know go do things be social

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

you know you know do whatever finish your sleeve tad

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

to

[scott]:

yeah yeah

[shaun]:

you know

[chris]:

grow

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

what i

[chris]:

your

[shaun]:

mean

[chris]:

mustache

[shaun]:

you could

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

do that if you were swatoff

[chris]:

learn a handshake

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

you're funny get that done get your g shock

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

watch

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

prepared

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

you know see what

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

kind

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

of r m

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

r is the most

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

recent one that you bought since the one

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

you got last week

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

you know all those

[scott]:

five

[shaun]:

things

[scott]:

eleven

[shaun]:

you get to

[scott]:

catalogue

[shaun]:

do shave

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

your head yet

[chris]:

right

[shaun]:

again you

[scott]:

thumb

[shaun]:

know

[scott]:

through

[shaun]:

i mean

[scott]:

the thrntthumb

[shaun]:

five living

[scott]:

through

[shaun]:

catalogue

[scott]:

the five

[shaun]:

this coming

[scott]:

eleven

[shaun]:

her and

[scott]:

catalogue

[shaun]:

striclinoline

[chris]:

uh

[shaun]:

right

[chris]:

h

[shaun]:

right

[scott]:

ah

[shaun]:

and watch countless

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

countless videos on you tube of instructor zebra

[chris]:

right

[shaun]:

or whatever the guy's name is that's telling you like this is what you can do if you're shooting

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

you involved in a option involved shooting is like i could never do

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

i should never do that either

[scott]:

do you have

[shaun]:

but

[scott]:

to have the yellow

[chris]:

m

[scott]:

glasses on

[shaun]:

you

[scott]:

though

[shaun]:

know

[scott]:

when you're doing it

[shaun]:

it is your time

[scott]:

uh

[shaun]:

you have to have the yellow glasses it's

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

like yeah yellow glasses over the road rose colored glasses that officers wear when they're shooting and it just lets them see that they're not really shooting that much better that's all it is like the yellow

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

glasses didn't in other

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

than i can see i missed

[scott]:

see i knew something was wrong

[shaun]:

quicker

[scott]:

because i was

[shaun]:

you know

[scott]:

always

[shaun]:

and

[scott]:

wearing

[shaun]:

me kind

[scott]:

the

[shaun]:

of

[scott]:

babe

[shaun]:

a thing

[scott]:

winkleman glasses so i didn't shoot any better but i could see a fish

[chris]:

uh

[shaun]:

right right right right

[scott]:

seven feet down in clear water so it's never you know

[chris]:

h

[shaun]:

if you're shooting that fish

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

the

[scott]:

remember

[shaun]:

offset remember

[scott]:

remember

[shaun]:

the parallax

[scott]:

the offset

[shaun]:

you got

[scott]:

when

[shaun]:

to

[scott]:

you

[shaun]:

offset

[scott]:

hit the top of the

[shaun]:

offset

[scott]:

water

[shaun]:

offset

[scott]:

you'll

[chris]:

yeah

[scott]:

get

[shaun]:

you'll

[scott]:

it you'll

[shaun]:

get

[scott]:

get

[shaun]:

it

[scott]:

there you'll get there

[shaun]:

here's another

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

here's another three boxes of amo you'll get it go ahead and go right away

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

away

[scott]:

so sorry

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

you'll get it what

[scott]:

you

[shaun]:

does this have to do with my job don't don't do not question my training

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

paton

[scott]:

do you see the

[shaun]:

anyway

[scott]:

knife on the inside

[shaun]:

m

[chris]:

yeah

[scott]:

of clip to the inside of my pocket

[chris]:

right

[scott]:

that

[chris]:

right

[scott]:

means something

[shaun]:

right

[scott]:

i have

[shaun]:

right

[scott]:

two of

[shaun]:

exactly

[scott]:

them

[shaun]:

right hold on

[chris]:

uh

[shaun]:

i'm gonna take this bra what's up hold on hold on hold i gotta take this brahwhat's up you need to get the bear

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

cat we're on our way

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

anyway i'm kidding

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

everybody

[scott]:

it

[shaun]:

in sad

[scott]:

they

[shaun]:

hates

[scott]:

come

[shaun]:

me

[scott]:

on

[shaun]:

now

[scott]:

they love

[shaun]:

i was

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

it

[shaun]:

in sad

[scott]:

they

[shaun]:

for

[scott]:

know

[shaun]:

seventeen years

[scott]:

we

[shaun]:

i

[scott]:

all joke about that

[shaun]:

right but you know it did put in seventeen years we were

[scott]:

ah

[shaun]:

kind of always

[scott]:

i

[shaun]:

considered on call

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

i was a suit officer like i said for for seventeen years and you know our stand wasn't we were pro union illinois

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

that was like you know you don't get paid for that you just need to be on call you need to be prepared you need to come in now there was not like any really strict rules and guide lines if you had to be ready whatever that means for the general order

[scott]:

whatever

[shaun]:

and that

[scott]:

that

[shaun]:

if

[scott]:

means

[shaun]:

you know had been drinking or in ge and something that you right

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

you know the rules like obviously you you know your alcohol level

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

should be null none some places are like you know if you're zero two or zero for you

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

theoretically o come in i never want

[scott]:

test

[shaun]:

to

[scott]:

that yeah right

[shaun]:

test

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

that theory yeah right you know i shoot

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

better when i'm drunk but you know i i you know i just went seventeen

[scott]:

m

[shaun]:

years without you know good portion we get pages like hey get ready something sounds like it's cracked off

[scott]:

hm

[shaun]:

in patrol i'm listening to the radio or the patrol sergeant called the squad commander you guys be ready is like all right well we're gonna go to this play we're gonna go to and now i can't i'm

[scott]:

ah

[shaun]:

not going to go i'm not gonna

[scott]:

for

[shaun]:

go to the dinner because up north a lot of us didn't have cars

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

know down south and other regions of the country officers are awarded r part of their benefits for pay

[scott]:

ye

[shaun]:

packages actually having you know a vehicle

[scott]:

hm

[shaun]:

that you could respond code with now i gotta take my personal car ride really fast to get back to my house to get my other car or i have to take two cars with me those are all like kind of sacrifices but you get

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

used to it after a while it would be nice to be compensated for that

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

but from a swat perspective you come into the work i think largely knowing that hey this is what we got to do and they're actual chief louiville's chief fought

[scott]:

ah

[shaun]:

it fought it and they actually they won that just about a week ago within the last week or two the court ruled and said twelve person jury said

[scott]:

so

[shaun]:

that

[scott]:

what

[shaun]:

ain't

[scott]:

were

[shaun]:

you

[scott]:

they

[shaun]:

know

[scott]:

were they were they

[shaun]:

i don't know

[scott]:

trying

[shaun]:

what that was the

[scott]:

to

[shaun]:

time

[scott]:

get

[shaun]:

because the economy

[scott]:

i hadn't

[shaun]:

sucks

[scott]:

read the story and i know you were filling us in on but i hadn't read what

[shaun]:

yes

[scott]:

what were they actually

[shaun]:

m

[scott]:

looking for was it

[shaun]:

ye

[scott]:

for like so there are two their two weeks on two weeks off essentially right like two weeks

[shaun]:

m

[scott]:

on call two weeks available

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

so were they looking just

[shaun]:

call right i mean they're still doing their regular

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

jobs or

[scott]:

but

[shaun]:

whatever

[scott]:

were they just so what were they looking

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

for like some type of compensation like a couple hours a day for being on call or just like a flat like a

[shaun]:

yah

[scott]:

like we'll get into it like what

[shaun]:

h

[scott]:

kind of different things

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

on call and tails but was it like a daily thing or just a set

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

number of hours for the time that they were on call

[shaun]:

well they must

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

the article didn't

[scott]:

okay

[shaun]:

really say like break it down calculation

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

wise it said it would have resulted in millions of dollars to be paid to officers that was like it would almost be like you know for from experience with the unions is that your contract ends but the city doesn't agree with the union on it and then you get back paid for it well this would have been millions of dollars

[scott]:

no

[shaun]:

for squat guys it would ave ben obviously for us to like the group because you know of cities that have fifty thousand fifty thousand people in him or more about eighty percent of those cities have their own squat teams and don't rely on other teams

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

for that so that's a pretty good percentage of people that if the trend was set with that cities could that could financially harm them like we're seeing more and more reasons to have a squat presence there because of

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

you know some of th thing we saw alkgabout that with cotter n a minute but the idea this was like

[scott]:

yah

[shaun]:

i was thinking like

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

you know it's really weird because you sit there and you go an that ol have been nice have be able to get paid for that i'm not gonna be not on to lie to you like it would ave been cool to be able to get paid to be on call

[scott]:

all right but but i mean

[shaun]:

um but it didn't happen so the other side of me goes for seventeen years i didn't get it so what do you

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

guys bitching about you know what i mean so but i don't want to take anything away from those guys i don't there could be dynamics to this that the media

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

doesn't cover that i

[scott]:

what

[shaun]:

understand

[scott]:

the oh

[shaun]:

you could see where a chief would come out and say

[scott]:

i

[shaun]:

i don't think sitting by a phone like she said was

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

is actually

[scott]:

well

[shaun]:

work

[scott]:

and then the flip side of that is like the on call that

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

we did for many years and you

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

did when we were in investigation and you know the way our agency would

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

work is there's a rotation all the detectives around a rotation we don't have detectives that work every single weekend um you know twenty twenty four seven

[shaun]:

right

[scott]:

detectives work fern hours throughout the week so that there's coverage for all the different things that are going on but we don't we don't have detectives that work weekends and will that be something

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

maybe in the future you know you never know depends on the volume of things but what would what our on call was

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

like we did was the weekends were basically starting ten o'clock at night on a friday until eight o'clock in the morning on monday you have a couple of detectives

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

on call something big happens something in patrol that requires some you know immediate follow up or you have someone in custody on a violet case

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

violent felony case or something like that suspicious death

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

i mean there's a there's a variety of things

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

and then what

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

happens is your on call for that weekend and you basically have to have your work phone

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

available to you for that entire time and it never fails of course that you get a call you know you're not getting a lot of calls at one o clock in the aft noon on sunday you're getting them at two o'clock in the morning on friday or saturday night and then you know our detectives we get compensated for that with just a flat amount of overtime for being on call if you got called

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

in than that would increase the overtime but again you're still i think in the long run paying less as an agency as a city if just having those detectives on call versus what it would be costing you to have them there like you know for coverage seven days a week i'm you know and that's that's always been the debate but that's how it's been as long

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

as

[shaun]:

i mean

[scott]:

we were

[shaun]:

it's always

[scott]:

there

[shaun]:

so much from a financial standpoint i think it's just easier to stomach when the detective is not there for eight to ten hours pitching about how stupid patrolmen are as opposed to heat do it from his house you know and his under pants you know what i'm saying you know i'm talking about that kind of thing like that was my favorite move was like oh we got the

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

on call come and i'm like okay so we wanna do well stand secure the scene

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

whatever keep the log do whatever and then i would go like at what point you at me to log the annoyed detective showing up letting me know how stupid he was even though like last week he was doing

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

the same

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

job that i was doing here and probably wasn't even doing it as effectively as i was as like that was always you're on call dude you're getting paid a premium rat what are you pissed off

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

about like

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

i'm sorry that somebody decided to do something strange on a

[scott]:

no

[shaun]:

weekend nobody does

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

stupid

[scott]:

and

[shaun]:

ship

[scott]:

i'm

[shaun]:

on

[scott]:

sorry

[shaun]:

weekends

[scott]:

that it's at two

[shaun]:

because

[scott]:

in the morning

[shaun]:

you know

[scott]:

on a saturday

[shaun]:

nobody

[scott]:

you

[shaun]:

drinks

[scott]:

know

[shaun]:

on the

[scott]:

but

[shaun]:

week

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

yeah right i'm really sorry

[scott]:

we'll

[shaun]:

and that

[scott]:

know

[shaun]:

wasn't everybody it usually it was a mix and it didn't it

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

didn't discriminate it did not disc that attitude did not discriminate

[scott]:

no

[shaun]:

when somebody showed like look i was always like back to the squat thing like we got called in it was like oh my god we're getting a chance to do our

[scott]:

m

[shaun]:

job you know the thing we train and train and train and train for so we were always jacked up about it but you know some of the detectives were like man just dealt with this

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

shipped for sixty hours this week and now i'm on call and no one could

[scott]:

hm

[shaun]:

switch out with me so now i've got to handle this call that maybe you

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

know somebody on

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

the road could have maybe stepped up and did a little bit more other than

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

you know you guys are interrupting my fantasy picks can i can i

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

get through the on call like you know what i mean

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

like

[scott]:

ah

[shaun]:

could you have done a little more work on the

[scott]:

a

[shaun]:

this

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

i mean it's all subject to abuse it's all subject to fraud and abuse

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

that in a lot of cities have conquered that and municipalities have tried to conquer that but the bottom line is is

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

that you know being on call is like you have to

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

be

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

ready to go and you know what other job out there

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

firemen work twenty four

[scott]:

the

[shaun]:

hour shifts

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

if they're on call it's usually because something really really

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

bad has happened as far as i know

[chris]:

ah

[shaun]:

unless you guys can

[chris]:

i've never heard

[shaun]:

correct

[chris]:

of a fireman

[shaun]:

me from wrong

[chris]:

on call

[shaun]:

on that and again i'm sure there's other

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

but

[chris]:

no

[shaun]:

are you

[chris]:

it's

[shaun]:

saying

[chris]:

true

[shaun]:

that to

[chris]:

i've

[shaun]:

be funny

[chris]:

never heard

[shaun]:

or is that just true

[chris]:

no i've never heard

[scott]:

you're

[chris]:

i

[shaun]:

it's

[scott]:

funny

[chris]:

never

[shaun]:

funny

[chris]:

hear of

[shaun]:

but it's

[chris]:

yeah

[scott]:

you're

[shaun]:

true

[scott]:

funny

[chris]:

no

[shaun]:

okay

[chris]:

i've neve head of far move call

[shaun]:

funny

[chris]:

my

[shaun]:

you

[chris]:

clown

[shaun]:

make me laugh

[chris]:

i've never heard

[shaun]:

i'm just saying like what now what did it mean to be

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

an on call as a canine chris like you

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

were canine for the

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

vast majority of your

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

career with s and they were like yeah he's the on called cana

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

and i'm like well i was okay cool that's good to know

[scott]:

we

[shaun]:

like

[chris]:

yeah oh

[shaun]:

but what did that mean because i was like sometimes you'd be talking to me i gotta go bro they're calling for me up in this municipality that wasn't

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

even ours and i was like can

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

you explain that to our listeners a little bit about what it

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

means

[chris]:

so for us it was we did it by month so we picked on call by month and then what i would do is

[shaun]:

yes

[chris]:

i i had relationships with can

[scott]:

oh

[chris]:

i all around you know all around our city so i had a i had a network of people i could go to because you mean you cannot tell your family or not doing anything for a month or whatever plus

[scott]:

oh

[chris]:

we never were paid for that time um

[scott]:

oh

[chris]:

but there was my responsibility so what would happen is when i would if i were to get a

[scott]:

oh

[chris]:

call like hey if i could go i'd go if not

[scott]:

like

[chris]:

i'd be like hey i know so and so is on today i would get everybody schedule

[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

so an call so and so call so and so also and so and that's that's kind of like the way the way we worked it

[scott]:

oh

[chris]:

um and then if i was working and i was off um

[scott]:

oh

[chris]:

when i got off because i would the dog at the end and

[scott]:

yeah

[chris]:

they would have to call the other

[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

handlers because you know you got to let the dog you know so they

[shaun]:

oh

[chris]:

won't get blowed or the stomach doesn't turn you got

[shaun]:

ah

[chris]:

to give so much

[scott]:

m

[chris]:

time off

[shaun]:

oh

[chris]:

to digest your food and stuff like that so my

[shaun]:

oh

[chris]:

my uncle was different i never got paid for

[shaun]:

we should get that written in our contract

[chris]:

so

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

those

[chris]:

i don't

[shaun]:

cops

[chris]:

bloat

[shaun]:

and we should

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

start to interrupt

[scott]:

yeah

[chris]:

somebody

[shaun]:

we

[chris]:

he'll

[shaun]:

should

[scott]:

i

[chris]:

blow

[shaun]:

get

[scott]:

can't

[shaun]:

that ritten

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

arco

[scott]:

i

[shaun]:

just

[scott]:

just i just ate

[chris]:

yea

[shaun]:

sorry

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

i'm on digestion

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

time

[scott]:

i can't

[chris]:

right

[scott]:

i can't work and

[shaun]:

i'm

[scott]:

i

[shaun]:

going

[scott]:

can't

[shaun]:

to get blowed

[scott]:

swim

[shaun]:

here

[scott]:

i can't

[chris]:

right

[scott]:

swim and i can't

[shaun]:

well

[scott]:

work

[chris]:

so

[scott]:

for thirty minutes

[shaun]:

yeah and this yeah like

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

you know

[chris]:

but for me i didn't care

[shaun]:

and the charge said you know the cramp only

[chris]:

right

[shaun]:

lasts like seven minutes not seven years you can actually start working again may it help if you don't eat a box of fuckingdonots every day

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

too

[chris]:

no so

[shaun]:

you

[chris]:

i

[shaun]:

know

[chris]:

mean

[shaun]:

what

[chris]:

i

[shaun]:

i'm

[chris]:

never

[shaun]:

saying

[chris]:

really i mean for me i knew

[shaun]:

eh

[chris]:

it was the way i looked at

[scott]:

oh

[chris]:

it was it was my responsibility

[shaun]:

ah

[chris]:

to help out the agency as best i can't but in

[scott]:

yeah

[chris]:

the same token they also knew that since

[shaun]:

oh

[chris]:

i wasn't really what we call paid on call which was like hey you have to be ready to go

[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

right now

[scott]:

right

[chris]:

they

[scott]:

yeah

[chris]:

knew that that wasn't and that's the way i look at i mean if they're if you're on call you're getting paid to be on call that means

[scott]:

oh

[chris]:

you can get

[shaun]:

oh

[chris]:

called

[scott]:

oh

[chris]:

in at any second you've got to go there's nobody else and and and i get that i get that

[scott]:

right

[chris]:

but for us

[scott]:

there's

[chris]:

it was just

[scott]:

yeah

[chris]:

a different different you know from

[scott]:

yeah because there's

[chris]:

districts

[scott]:

different variables in that like we've all done we've all had that kind of

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

on call where it's that where it's just like you do you

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

do a specialized thing within

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

the department

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

and so

[chris]:

hm

[scott]:

you know that if something

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

significant

[chris]:

yes

[scott]:

happens you're probably going to be getting called but it's not

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

the same as like what we were talking about detectives

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

that are on call for the weekend or like for

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

me as a supervisor and investigation supervisor on call for the weekend so i'm on the same

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

this is my weekend so

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

i'm on the same schedule as the

[shaun]:

m

[scott]:

detectives are now my job is

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

much easier in that i really only

[chris]:

i

[scott]:

have to get i take the initial calls from whoever calls me from patrol kind of figure out what it is that they

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

have going on and then make a decision you know do i need to send somebody in or not

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

talk to the

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

detective that's going to go in and try to give them a heads upon what's going on

[shaun]:

ah

[scott]:

and then obviously

[shaun]:

ye

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

get up dates

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

as the as it goes along

[chris]:

i

[scott]:

when once they go in

[chris]:

m

[scott]:

so that i can

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

relay up the chain of what it is

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

that's

[chris]:

yeah

[scott]:

going

[chris]:

but if

[scott]:

on

[chris]:

it's

[scott]:

the

[chris]:

a

[scott]:

only

[chris]:

homicide or something serious

[shaun]:

yea

[chris]:

you're going

[scott]:

oh

[chris]:

anyway

[scott]:

yeah

[chris]:

i

[scott]:

yeah

[chris]:

mean that's

[scott]:

right if

[chris]:

but

[scott]:

it's

[chris]:

so

[scott]:

yeah

[chris]:

still

[scott]:

it

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

would

[chris]:

i mean you're there to

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

um

[chris]:

you're there to yeah you shouldn't

[shaun]:

m

[scott]:

i

[shaun]:

well

[chris]:

write

[scott]:

should

[shaun]:

you should

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

you

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

should be going and sure there's cases

[chris]:

i mean

[shaun]:

people can talk

[chris]:

you're

[shaun]:

to

[chris]:

there

[shaun]:

right

[scott]:

yeah

[chris]:

to disseminate

[shaun]:

is like well

[chris]:

information

[shaun]:

what do you need me for well

[chris]:

and

[shaun]:

it's

[chris]:

send

[shaun]:

a homicide

[chris]:

out resources and stuff but ultimately

[shaun]:

right

[chris]:

ultimately if if if the worst case cinara happens that while you're on

[shaun]:

oh

[chris]:

call you're gonna be probably the first one to go anyway

[scott]:

right so even though it's my like even

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

though i'm not going it's a pretty slim chance of going in i still basically look

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

at it like that's how i figure out my on call weekend is like

[shaun]:

m

[scott]:

i know

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

that i need to work around whatever it is you know i'm going to be available i'm not going out of town doing anything crazy like that so that if something

[chris]:

yeah

[scott]:

does happen

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

obviously i'm around

[shaun]:

yeahmerwhen

[chris]:

right i mean and i just think my

[shaun]:

scott got promoted

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

yes

[shaun]:

and he moved into investigations he was like yeah i'm

[scott]:

oh

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

on call sergeant right now and he was so into it

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

one time was still working street myself before i retired and he showed up through a call with his lobster bib on that's

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

how quickly he wanted to get there

[chris]:

that's

[shaun]:

and i was

[chris]:

dedication

[shaun]:

like that's that's dedication right

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

there that's dedication he had to head the

[chris]:

right

[shaun]:

lobster

[scott]:

all right

[shaun]:

bib on it wasn't like from red lobs

[chris]:

but

[shaun]:

he was

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

like a real restaurant and you

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

got there that quickly i'm like how much was the lost i

[scott]:

i

[shaun]:

don't

[scott]:

don't

[shaun]:

even

[chris]:

m

[scott]:

even

[shaun]:

check

[scott]:

check

[shaun]:

it seasonal

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

like because i'm making so much money being on call

[scott]:

and

[shaun]:

so

[scott]:

i had

[shaun]:

much

[scott]:

this i

[chris]:

hm

[scott]:

had

[shaun]:

like

[scott]:

the champagne bucket

[shaun]:

like

[scott]:

i had

[shaun]:

i don't

[scott]:

the champagne

[shaun]:

even

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

check

[scott]:

bucket

[shaun]:

bother

[scott]:

on the passenger

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

seat but it was like

[shaun]:

yeah right

[scott]:

sleep belted in with the

[chris]:

yeah

[scott]:

ice and i'm like i didn't want to open this because

[shaun]:

right

[scott]:

you know i can't be

[shaun]:

right

[scott]:

drinking on call so just

[shaun]:

right

[scott]:

what

[shaun]:

right

[scott]:

do

[shaun]:

right

[scott]:

we got

[shaun]:

right

[scott]:

here i'll wait to pop this until we're

[chris]:

right

[scott]:

done yeah

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

it's

[shaun]:

yeah the guy was table side making your season sale and he's

[scott]:

where

[shaun]:

like here

[chris]:

yes

[shaun]:

do

[scott]:

you

[shaun]:

you

[scott]:

go

[shaun]:

go

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

where do you go away

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

anyway i mean but that's the point of it you're making premium money when

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

you're doing that you're not

[scott]:

i

[shaun]:

making a standard rat you're not making your standard hourly rate when you're on call in most agencies now i can't speak for every i see in america

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

you know as to or even the world for that matter you is there some form of compensation

[scott]:

yes

[shaun]:

for you but generally the agreement

[scott]:

the

[shaun]:

is if you are there and you're required to commit to time hand you're not no matter what you're doing court we even

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

now court

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

stand by which is probably the thing that most is most common to officers like

[scott]:

i

[shaun]:

hey you may get called in this afternoon based upon the way that was going into court that the way that used to

[scott]:

no

[shaun]:

work was and i'm not not going to system but at least in i was like oh i'm just goin to get paid to sit in my house you know a mean that's exactly what it was because

[scott]:

we

[shaun]:

they were like yeah we got the officer

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

it's ready to go it's in court the states attorneys going and then the judge goes ell they're coming in the cops coming and then the guy goes all right i guess they got everybody

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

we're going to play so then they played and we didn't need to come in

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

and you got ex amount of hours just

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

to be called to be there so i think the vast majority of officers in america at least have had some experience

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

with hey you're on courts and by what used

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

to suck was when like the pros and cons

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

of on call was if i work midnight shift i'm on call at a time when the rest of the world is normally working which means that i can't

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

be sleeping

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

if i just worked

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

which kind of sucks um but if you're working days you're like hey i'm up and about with everybody else but i'm gonna probably get called

[chris]:

h

[shaun]:

in on a day that i'm

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

actually working and i'm not getting straight i'm only getting stay

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

time for that so i mean people have to understand how this incentivizes and the

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

incentivizes

[scott]:

well think

[shaun]:

if that's

[scott]:

think

[shaun]:

word

[scott]:

about how

[shaun]:

for

[scott]:

it

[shaun]:

people

[scott]:

was

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

like for motivation levels

[scott]:

right

[chris]:

m

[scott]:

remember

[shaun]:

and what they

[scott]:

remember

[shaun]:

do

[scott]:

the days of you're working midnights this

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

is a problem that you know not a problem i mean you're getting paid but this is what you would run into as an officer hey i work twelve hour midnight shifts and this

[shaun]:

m

[scott]:

week i'm working uh wednesday night and thursday

[shaun]:

ah

[scott]:

night

[chris]:

m

[scott]:

and thursday i'm on call from

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

let's say eleven o'clock in the morning till one o'clock in the afternoon so i go

[shaun]:

eh

[scott]:

home wednesday you know i go

[shaun]:

right

[scott]:

home thursday morning at the end of shift

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

say five thirty six thirty the morning

[shaun]:

ah

[scott]:

now i'm going to try to sleep i know

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

i got to have my phone on so

[shaun]:

yea

[scott]:

that it's going to wake me

[shaun]:

my

[scott]:

up because if i get that call from the states

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

attorney

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

or from someone

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

at

[chris]:

yeah

[scott]:

the p d that says hey they're going to need you for court this afternoon because typically the trials were in the afternoon

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

now you

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

gotta now you gotta get up so so say you're on call from eleven to one you get that

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

yah

[scott]:

call at eleven thirty twelve o'clock

[shaun]:

my

[scott]:

their tell you hey um yes you are going to be needed for a trial this afternoon and next thing you know you're getting up you know on three hours of sleep getting ready

[shaun]:

ah

[scott]:

going in and you

[chris]:

m

[scott]:

got to be sharp enough to go into court and testify to whatever it was you know hopefully it's maybe not something

[shaun]:

yah

[scott]:

significant but you got to

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

be at least somewhat rested and sharp to go

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

in and testify to whatever that is and on occasion

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

they go till so long in the afternoon that you didn't even have time to go back home and sleep again so

[shaun]:

yah

[scott]:

that's thing you know that we we've

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

all run into

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

over the years it's the dreaded you know

[chris]:

ah

[scott]:

call in when you're in the middle of

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

your midnight shift days but it does happen from time

[shaun]:

m

[scott]:

to time now we would obviously

[chris]:

we

[scott]:

our

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

agency if you had been doing that you would be able to get time

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

to go home and rest before you then started your shift that night if you hadn't

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

had enough rest

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

you would be allowed to come in late or whatever

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

it was

[shaun]:

hm

[scott]:

you know for the rules that we had about

[chris]:

my

[scott]:

how

[shaun]:

hm

[scott]:

much sleep you needed to get

[chris]:

but you

[scott]:

and

[chris]:

wouldn't get

[scott]:

working

[chris]:

paid for it you would have to burn

[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

time

[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

they wouldn't give it

[scott]:

right

[chris]:

to you

[scott]:

right right

[chris]:

m

[scott]:

so yeah it was

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

yeah a lot of people listen to this

[chris]:

well

[shaun]:

ago yeah you guys that's sounds really rough those conveniently those big money bags look just like pillows when you're going

[chris]:

and

[shaun]:

to sleep

[scott]:

right

[chris]:

i could

[shaun]:

on

[chris]:

attest

[shaun]:

those things

[chris]:

to that

[shaun]:

you know what i mean

[scott]:

oh

[chris]:

but the other thing is to be honest with you

[shaun]:

right

[chris]:

i mean from

[shaun]:

pray

[chris]:

a from a business

[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

standpoint

[scott]:

yeah

[chris]:

we

[shaun]:

uh

[chris]:

all know that a lot of government

[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

agencies don't run as efficiency as they should i mean let's

[scott]:

oh

[chris]:

just

[scott]:

yeah

[chris]:

face it i mean we have you

[scott]:

yeah

[chris]:

know we had you know so

[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

many people in in investigations

[shaun]:

m

[chris]:

that are

[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

investigating every broken window well that guy or that girl could be out on the road

[shaun]:

m

[chris]:

you know you

[scott]:

ye

[chris]:

get having a better presence and

[shaun]:

oh

[chris]:

relieving people so they don't have to even work overtime or not as much overtime or they can relieve people so they can get

[shaun]:

m

[chris]:

their rest i

[shaun]:

m

[chris]:

mean i just think from an efficiency standpoint i think that most of departments were going to hire somebody e me

[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

as a consultant to streamline business expenses and stuff like that they would

[scott]:

yeah

[chris]:

see

[shaun]:

my

[chris]:

the vast majority of the money that there and the

[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

more efficient they could be with their people

[scott]:

m

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

how is it

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

how do they do it down in florida

[shaun]:

yeah i mean

[scott]:

with

[shaun]:

i at

[scott]:

our agencies

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

is it similar to like how

[shaun]:

my

[scott]:

things are back here or now

[chris]:

no so basically if you're off and you get called

[shaun]:

ah

[chris]:

into court you go to court

[scott]:

yeah

[chris]:

you know nd it's basically on overtime but it's not

[shaun]:

m

[scott]:

oh

[chris]:

standard

[shaun]:

m

[chris]:

if for example tuesday

[shaun]:

oh

[chris]:

is your court date um you'll know ahead of time because they have the sapinayou here for everything

[scott]:

ye are right

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

because tuesday happens the same time

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

every

[chris]:

right

[shaun]:

week right

[chris]:

right right but but but they spent

[shaun]:

ye

[chris]:

you though

[shaun]:

little known fact about florida

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

though the thing about the little little no fact about florida is that every agency in florida has to take a turn of providing officers to the magic

[scott]:

yeait's

[shaun]:

kingdom to guard

[chris]:

right

[shaun]:

walt diston

[chris]:

all

[shaun]:

frozen

[chris]:

right

[shaun]:

head

[chris]:

right

[shaun]:

did you know that it's like that's you

[chris]:

right

[shaun]:

get to tap in all

[scott]:

amazing

[chris]:

right

[shaun]:

that money

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

they pull down like that's

[chris]:

right

[shaun]:

exactly exactly it

[scott]:

they're posted

[shaun]:

it's

[scott]:

at

[shaun]:

crazy

[scott]:

each end of the criogenic

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

chamber just in uniform

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

just just standing at

[shaun]:

right

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

right

[scott]:

at

[shaun]:

exactly

[scott]:

parade

[shaun]:

just

[scott]:

rest

[shaun]:

standing there

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

like it's it's like it's that's like lennon's

[chris]:

right

[shaun]:

lennon's tube and i think they secretly have figured out a way to reanimate walt

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

disney but the police

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

like lobby in florida is strong

[chris]:

right

[scott]:

a

[shaun]:

they won't

[scott]:

right

[chris]:

right

[shaun]:

let it happen if you bring it back to life we're

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

goin to lose i don't all this overtime you're working the keys

[chris]:

right

[shaun]:

buddy thout you care

[scott]:

no

[shaun]:

no

[chris]:

no but

[shaun]:

no

[scott]:

no

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

it's

[chris]:

but down

[shaun]:

paying

[chris]:

here

[shaun]:

for my

[chris]:

you

[shaun]:

kids

[chris]:

got to be

[shaun]:

college

[chris]:

supine so there is no

[scott]:

oh

[chris]:

on call so you otto be supine for

[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

fiction you know exactly when our up so you know exactly when

[shaun]:

really

[chris]:

your rations are coming

[scott]:

oh

[chris]:

but again

[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

so what is it illinois if i adopted that how much money they would say avin overtime alone

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

yeah

[chris]:

so it's just

[scott]:

yeah

[chris]:

it's just

[shaun]:

right

[chris]:

different

[shaun]:

i think in court in south carolina it's like i'm going to be like that cousin

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

vanni movie

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

like the utes and the

[chris]:

hm

[shaun]:

way i

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

talk and stuff lie they're on be like oh my god he's innocent simply

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

because you have overwhelming facts that he's not but you're

[chris]:

right

[shaun]:

a yankee

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

socket out he's

[chris]:

right

[shaun]:

innocent what

[chris]:

well

[shaun]:

wait

[chris]:

we have

[shaun]:

place of

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

origin

[chris]:

well we

[shaun]:

you

[scott]:

you

[shaun]:

can't

[chris]:

i

[scott]:

can't

[chris]:

mean

[shaun]:

do

[chris]:

we

[scott]:

do

[chris]:

had

[shaun]:

that

[scott]:

that

[chris]:

we talked about you know guys down here you know about

[scott]:

yeah

[chris]:

unions and stuff like that and you know the right

[scott]:

right

[chris]:

the right to work state or whatever you call it

[scott]:

oh

[chris]:

and really i mean i think for me when you're talking about on call and union benefits and that kind of stuff

[shaun]:

oh

[chris]:

i mean there's stuff that you have to get used to but ultimately here

[shaun]:

m

[chris]:

it is a right to

[shaun]:

hm

[chris]:

work state

[scott]:

i

[chris]:

but they just they have to fire you

[shaun]:

my

[chris]:

for cause so everybody

[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

gets that

[scott]:

i

[chris]:

right to work state which basically means

[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

is that

[scott]:

yeah

[chris]:

if you make

[shaun]:

m

[chris]:

a mistake they can fire you but

[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

usually

[scott]:

it

[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

it's a significant mistake where most people would go and you're probably right anyway so they just can't come up and say hey you know what

[shaun]:

hm

[chris]:

i'm just not and you so you're you know

[shaun]:

m

[chris]:

you're going to

[scott]:

you're

[chris]:

go

[scott]:

gone

[chris]:

yeah you can't do that so i just i just don't

[shaun]:

all

[chris]:

think

[shaun]:

right

[chris]:

the people

[shaun]:

al right l let me there's the debate of like

[scott]:

oh

[chris]:

ahead go ahead

[shaun]:

sorry man

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

god

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

i'll

[chris]:

god

[shaun]:

fix this in post i had to say that anyway

[scott]:

so technical

[shaun]:

but you know they say that about eighty percent of the cops in the united states are unionized and there's a lot more to it other than pay pay is good don't

[chris]:

o

[shaun]:

get me wrong like

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

like when you're in a police union or public safety or a public sector union they say you know the right demonizs those groups of people all the time but it's like all right well

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

i've come to a state

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

it's dominated by the right

[scott]:

well

[shaun]:

and

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

i said to myself like you know you know you don't want to be the guys that everybody else in america

[chris]:

yet

[shaun]:

is watching

[scott]:

no

[shaun]:

videos about like don't do this this can happened to you as a police officer and

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

i think there's some pros and cons to both you have a lot more freedom to move about freely from agency

[scott]:

so

[shaun]:

to agency down here so if something really isn't working out for you whether it be because you just don't like the the agency you know the agency doesn't like you you know you want to make more money you want to go somewhere

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

else whatever it's not as hard like in a union environment

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

you've got to worry about

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

how is this going to hit my pension

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

if it hits my pen and if i'm not vested in all these other things what have i got

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

to do to make that now that doesn't seem to be making people a lot of people not consider that in illinois movement because you guys talked about that

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

at great length but there are some prose and con the other thing is as it is cool to have a take home car for people like it's like hey it's another means

[chris]:

mine's

[shaun]:

of

[chris]:

awesome

[shaun]:

an expense that i don't have

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

to worry about if that works for me in my life and you know everybody ll say you make so much less in the south because this but it's like

[chris]:

but

[shaun]:

other job and i know this is a corny anecdotal setting but

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

if you literally like what you're doing

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

you will be rich doing it but in the same sense you also won't mind working to do it you'll also be a good representative of the job so in the south

[chris]:

yah

[shaun]:

although i joked

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

about a lot

[chris]:

h

[shaun]:

of the things down here because it's simpler

[scott]:

oh

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

or whatever it's not really like

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

everybody knows what they need to do to be able to hustle

[chris]:

right

[shaun]:

and make

[chris]:

but

[shaun]:

up for what it is because we're down cops everybody's down cop so if like you want to work you

[scott]:

my

[shaun]:

can get over time details on shifts

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

you can get over time details working special

[scott]:

ah

[shaun]:

events and things like that it's just that do you think the private business owner that puts his

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

own butt on the line every time doesn't have to be up at two o'clock in the

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

morning dealing with something or he worked over night because a pipe broke in his business and that he's got to be there the next day and the

[scott]:

no

[shaun]:

more to

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

you know h and h bagel's like that out in le

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

cramer that time you know what i

[scott]:

we're

[shaun]:

mean that

[scott]:

on

[shaun]:

you

[scott]:

strike

[shaun]:

got to be there and you got to be you got to be doing what you

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

were

[chris]:

but

[scott]:

ah

[shaun]:

doing

[chris]:

still

[shaun]:

right we're not strike

[chris]:

but you

[shaun]:

that's

[chris]:

know what

[shaun]:

not

[chris]:

though

[shaun]:

a

[chris]:

but

[shaun]:

holiday

[chris]:

here's the thing though you're making

[shaun]:

yah

[chris]:

you're

[scott]:

yeah

[chris]:

making you know

[shaun]:

h

[chris]:

i guess up there the starting

[shaun]:

ye

[chris]:

pay was like another ten grand okay where we're at now

[shaun]:

yah

[chris]:

what

[shaun]:

hm

[chris]:

the ten grant down here

[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

in certain

[shaun]:

oh

[chris]:

areas your cost of living is last i got to take home car and i have

[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

people that will prosecute and people that will back the police

[scott]:

yeah

[chris]:

and the other thing is is at what point

[shaun]:

and unless we forget you have

[scott]:

uh

[shaun]:

you have you have bucky's

[chris]:

and

[shaun]:

trucks

[chris]:

at

[scott]:

yeah

[chris]:

what

[shaun]:

stops

[chris]:

point

[shaun]:

down here too

[chris]:

at what point

[shaun]:

have you

[chris]:

at

[shaun]:

ever

[chris]:

what

[shaun]:

gone into

[chris]:

point

[shaun]:

one of those yet

[chris]:

is

[shaun]:

chris

[chris]:

also illinois going to just going to say hey you can't make

[shaun]:

yah

[scott]:

yes

[chris]:

ninety dollars and hollers a policeman you can't make ninety dollars and dollars in h v c

[shaun]:

oh

[chris]:

it's just

[shaun]:

ah

[chris]:

it's the it's economics

[shaun]:

m

[chris]:

of it at some point you're

[shaun]:

ye

[chris]:

just gonna have to say we just can't just

[shaun]:

oh

[chris]:

can't can't it you know but

[scott]:

yeah

[chris]:

i'd rather give up the ten grant and have people back

[shaun]:

no but

[chris]:

me and prosecute people that i bring that

[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

i bring that i bring to jail

[shaun]:

right

[scott]:

m

[shaun]:

but again it's a matter of economics

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

too

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

some people would say and i can really use that ten ram right now because gas is for fifty

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

and

[scott]:

go

[shaun]:

you know insurance is this and my kids need that and this costs more product and goods there and you know

[scott]:

no

[shaun]:

it's a balance in what

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

you're picking out it's

[chris]:

i

[shaun]:

just that you know that case in louisville

[scott]:

my

[shaun]:

i was like an it would have been nice to get paid for that because you imagine if that was the trend most cities would be like because

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

cities have to respond this pali say al righ

[chris]:

ah

[shaun]:

well if that's the case we're not goin to have a full time sat team which is a whole lot less beneficial to your development

[scott]:

hm

[shaun]:

and career as an officer than that

[chris]:

but

[shaun]:

fatter

[chris]:

even on that

[shaun]:

check

[chris]:

one

[shaun]:

that you get for

[chris]:

but

[shaun]:

being

[chris]:

even

[shaun]:

over time again i'm not blaming

[chris]:

even

[shaun]:

those

[chris]:

if that

[shaun]:

guys

[chris]:

one

[shaun]:

i would have

[chris]:

how

[shaun]:

loved

[chris]:

are you

[shaun]:

it

[chris]:

going a ford a twenty four hour sat team when people are on

[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

call that doesn't even make any that economically doesn't even make sense that the lawsuit is stupid let's just call it what is it's stupid

[shaun]:

priorities and priorities

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

is what i say you know look i would say anything else i don't know what all the conditions were that surrounded why the louisville kentucky sat team guys decided

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

to do that half the team decided to do that

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

it was fought they lost a twelve person jury in a state like

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

kentucky

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

which is kentucky is that no man land where it's part north part south like i'm gonna get it like kentucky

[chris]:

a

[shaun]:

and are going to kill me for saying that but the bottom line is is that kentucky is literally more

[scott]:

you

[shaun]:

south than seems to be north to me at least

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

and it was they were in a union and they lost a twelve person jury came back now that doesn't mean they can't appeal it and move forward

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

their chief categorically i think when you're talking about a team because a squat team that can become very

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

financially strapping i would much rather have better gear i would much rather

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

have better training than going all man every time i'm on call i get paid because we know the game you don't get called like if

[chris]:

my

[shaun]:

you worked in a town where

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

you getting called

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

out as a squat team like literally every day you'd be like i don't want to work i mean

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

in felusia when that was happening they told guys

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

al right after nine months you get to go home

[scott]:

press

[shaun]:

and de compressed for two years

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

before you come back to this kind of crap every single day so there are pros and cons that

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

both of it i'd say for some people that have some really specialty skills like you're talking

[chris]:

okay

[shaun]:

about a

[scott]:

ah

[shaun]:

detective that has to commit and handle a case because

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

staffing on the street or the specialty

[scott]:

i

[shaun]:

skill for that i don't mind paying people to sit on their

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

bus waiting for the phone to coal guess what usually happens the phone

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

rings you know i got

[chris]:

right

[shaun]:

to go in like they know like hey this is

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

my week end to be on call and the rest of the world doesn't cater to what when i picked this six months

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

ago or i was picked for it six months ago so i don't i don't think

[chris]:

no

[shaun]:

there's anything

[chris]:

i agree

[shaun]:

wrong with that

[chris]:

if

[shaun]:

i mean so i gonna

[chris]:

no but

[shaun]:

play

[chris]:

if

[shaun]:

the

[chris]:

you

[shaun]:

man in the middle

[chris]:

if you

[shaun]:

thing

[chris]:

if you are told hey you're on call this week end

[shaun]:

oh

[chris]:

if something happens you have to calm or you have to co ordinate it so therefore

[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

you can't drink you can't partake you have to be ready to

[shaun]:

yah

[chris]:

go you have to

[scott]:

so

[chris]:

commend i think you

[shaun]:

m

[chris]:

should be paid but

[scott]:

yeah

[chris]:

you because that you're on a squat

[shaun]:

right

[chris]:

team and you can get called into any time what are you gonna do

[scott]:

he

[chris]:

sit home and stare at your phone twenty four seven or whatever sixteen

[scott]:

right

[chris]:

seven when you're not working at that that that doesn't even

[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

make any sense

[shaun]:

well now you're actually

[chris]:

ah

[shaun]:

what you're doing is you're posting pictures of yourself working out

[chris]:

and plus

[shaun]:

and

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

putting

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

in the oninstagram

[chris]:

and plus

[shaun]:

and facebook

[chris]:

and plus the other thing is

[shaun]:

um and letting

[chris]:

and plus

[shaun]:

everybody

[chris]:

the

[shaun]:

know

[chris]:

other

[shaun]:

what

[chris]:

thing

[shaun]:

a bad

[chris]:

is

[shaun]:

as

[chris]:

now

[shaun]:

you are

[chris]:

the way we're being trained

[scott]:

were

[shaun]:

oh

[chris]:

if in my opinion working down here we have a full time squat team

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

yeah

[chris]:

they are she all the time taking care

[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

of business and guess what

[shaun]:

oh

[chris]:

the remainder of us are trained because sometimes you don't have time to wait for swat

[scott]:

right e

[chris]:

so

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

t

[chris]:

i

[scott]:

c

[chris]:

mean

[shaun]:

c

[scott]:

b

[shaun]:

b and their

[chris]:

i

[shaun]:

tcband

[chris]:

just think

[shaun]:

man

[chris]:

i just think

[shaun]:

like

[chris]:

that

[shaun]:

elbasis crew

[chris]:

i just think

[shaun]:

t

[scott]:

oh

[chris]:

that

[shaun]:

c band

[chris]:

when you start doing this kind of stuff the way policemen are being trained now

[scott]:

no

[chris]:

um to react to stuff and handle stuff the whole c i t q be whatever i mean if if you don't have a full time sat or shared full time sat team and people are doing this and

[shaun]:

oh

[chris]:

it's like everything else like canine of stuff you can't you're not gonna able to pay people

[scott]:

yeah

[chris]:

it's not gonna be financially or fiscal responsible if you

[scott]:

well

[chris]:

pay

[scott]:

and

[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

these

[scott]:

another

[chris]:

people you know to sit

[shaun]:

ah

[chris]:

to just

[scott]:

ah

[chris]:

do you know wait

[scott]:

well and like we talked about

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

this just before we got started that now

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

in light of things that have been happening around the country and attacks

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

on people and events and things like that i know at least just for us part of our discussion going forward is that we

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

are going to

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

increase

[chris]:

m

[scott]:

our personal

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

and especially some of that highly trained you know personnel

[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

yeah

[scott]:

and so it's like

[shaun]:

ah

[scott]:

the cost

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

you know and again i don't

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

know all the details of this full

[chris]:

ah

[scott]:

time on

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

call squat thing but you know the cost of policing

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

unfortunately we hear every

[shaun]:

uh

[scott]:

day

[chris]:

yeah

[scott]:

every thing is sky rocketing

[shaun]:

ah

[scott]:

and price cars and food and gas and everything else well

[shaun]:

ah

[scott]:

police services

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

unfortunately are going to be subjected to that as well because the more tragic events that we have the more we have to keep re focusing on what we do to keep keople safe and to staff um you know tparades

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

and special events

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

and fests and all the i mean just

[shaun]:

ye

[scott]:

a man and all the things that go on all year

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

long all around the country

[chris]:

right

[scott]:

and you know people are people are on edge unfortunately at times and some

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

of the cost just like everything else is going to be i think additional police resources

[chris]:

okay

[scott]:

and at least to look at at some of these different things and and seeing what needs to be

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

added what

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

is going to make people

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

safe but not make it overly

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

overly policy feeling

[chris]:

right and here's the other thing when you put that stuff out for

[scott]:

oh

[chris]:

special events

[shaun]:

uh

[chris]:

and everything else it goes by

[shaun]:

h

[chris]:

seniority not by qualification

[scott]:

right right yeah

[chris]:

so yeah

[shaun]:

well unless but but there are some circumstance you probably can speak to this better anybody

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

else where they're like thee there is a specific skill

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

that we're looking for here

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

for that you know like if we used to do marathons in this a team would be out as a presence for that many people it's just like we got the guys in the blues and they're intimidating as well

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

i get it but then also the idea of

[chris]:

well

[shaun]:

like snipers being up and being trained and knowing like how far shot would

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

be and they're over watch skills and things like that they'll specifically request those type of those folks to be there you know

[scott]:

we

[shaun]:

it's it's a point where it's like cause prohibitive like we were in afghanistan for how many years seventeen and i don't know it's like over a decade and people will tell o at the end of it what did we really solve we left a bunch of gear there and

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

that's trillions of dollars problem and we gave back the place we fought so hard for back to some o the same very people is it now that's a layman's approach to it i'm sure there's people that in the you

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

know the c i a and special operations community and all sorts of other places the state department that would say you know you're just a simpleton you don't really know what all that cost really means for our security you have big bigger things whatever because did we ever imagine that m we'd be fighting the tala ban after we armed them defeat the russians during the cold war

[scott]:

the

[shaun]:

no so who knows maybe there are things going on

[scott]:

modern

[shaun]:

like that but in modern america right now and probably a lot of other places you know western ized

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

nations say western ized democracy nations police

[chris]:

ah

[shaun]:

costs are going to go up you have fewer people doing it you have more and more people acting out violently against their government and you need these resources there just as a deterant like you know you're not walking around an event where there's thirty people thirty thousand people walking around on the ground

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

with an m for strap to your chest and i've done this going man i hope i get to shoot somebody today all you

[scott]:

a

[shaun]:

think about is god i don't want to shoot anybody today because if i miss and these rounds and the way

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

they work and the way they travel

[scott]:

so

[shaun]:

could mess up people that i have no intent of wanting to do that with so and again it's not who with me whatever it was it was more of a press s thing and it's the idea that it's making

[scott]:

it

[shaun]:

people feel safe but we're on this path right now mental health is a big issue you know gun issues are a big problem fewer cops are coming out and doing it a lot of people are aging out of it it takes time to become a proficient squat officer you can't just walk off you say i want to be swat you've got to take

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

some time to do that and then you've got all of the other things that have to be done in the process you can't be a squat guy directing traffic

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

at a corner and if something

[chris]:

but

[shaun]:

cracks

[chris]:

some of

[shaun]:

off

[chris]:

them

[shaun]:

you

[chris]:

should

[shaun]:

got to be

[chris]:

be

[shaun]:

able to respond i say lives and neutralized strath so well yeah yeah i'm not saying that's not the case either but the bottom line is is that if you're there on that mission you can't be doing

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

both like oh i

[chris]:

right

[shaun]:

can direct traffic

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

but if something goes wrong i can break from here and get there in time even though i haven't qualified years that's not the role

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

for any of this and i think it was it was an interesting thing to see that this

[scott]:

a

[shaun]:

happened in twenty sixteen before a lot

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

of this really bad stuff started happened it finally made the court where it got in front of a jury and the jury like i'd be interest to see like

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

what was the make up of the jury that thought that or is any jury of twelve people right now that

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

are not police officers going to say what are you guys crying about

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

everybody suffering out here i mean was

[chris]:

right

[shaun]:

it that art of it like

[scott]:

i

[shaun]:

i don't know like a lack of sensitivity because it was louisville and what happened down there with brian taylor

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

like that kind of cap did that play a factor which is not right and not fair

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

either

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

and it's like you know sooner or later we're going to have to wake up as a nation and

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

go what is the real price for good policing and we can't keep doing it the way we're doing it

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

it has

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

to be cast

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

prohibitive to like

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

everybody's shaking down a system you know and i mean like all the cops now if i do this and i do this and i do this i can be over time and i can time it and i can set my court dates and guys are like really calculated about it and the cases you werelooking at that they were doing with you

[chris]:

ah

[shaun]:

like this is garbage dude you know it is this is a garbage case like you're just doing it because you you could do it and you that was a way for you to make money and like we all know guys that did that and you know

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

i mean i think to me i'm just goin this is what i talk about swat

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

was never about being more compensated for it was being better trained and being part of something

[chris]:

right

[shaun]:

that i could help other cops with that's how i look at oh how noble of you it was nice when i got that check when i was

[chris]:

we

[shaun]:

on a call out till four o'clock in the morning and the snow was piling up on the top of

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

my helmet when i was going god i wish i wasn't here stand and hear

[scott]:

ah

[shaun]:

this close to a guy that's gonna bust at and we may have to shoot him

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

you know kind of thing it's like

[scott]:

please

[shaun]:

but at this same time

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

i was like who else is getting this experience and how can i put a price tag on that so i'm not

[scott]:

what

[shaun]:

speaking for everybody on call but

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

that was just my thoughts on that

[chris]:

well i just think that you know at some point you have to take this

[scott]:

no

[chris]:

job and you know

[scott]:

m

[chris]:

the experience

[shaun]:

oh

[chris]:

you get the training you get and you know to get paid all the time

[scott]:

you know

[chris]:

and

[scott]:

oh

[chris]:

you you do this to help people to and to think that you're going to get paid

[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

twenty four seven three sixty five is just it just doesn't make any sense and

[shaun]:

oh

[chris]:

and then i think municipalities also have to start i and to be more physical responsible and you know holding people accountable for the money they spend

[shaun]:

right true that

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

that scott you have about

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

you any any thoughts from a thrifty norwegian

[chris]:

hm

[scott]:

that's the name

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

of my antique store

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

so that's it's the thrifty

[shaun]:

thrifty

[scott]:

norwegian

[shaun]:

new region

[scott]:

that's a great that's a great

[shaun]:

oh my

[scott]:

time

[shaun]:

god

[scott]:

to plug

[shaun]:

right

[scott]:

that too

[shaun]:

right

[scott]:

right now so

[shaun]:

right there you go thrifty

[scott]:

um no i just

[shaun]:

it

[scott]:

you know i just

[shaun]:

region

[scott]:

i look at it from

[shaun]:

like you should see their collection of salt

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

water affected glass

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

it's so nice

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

they

[scott]:

right

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

have tons

[scott]:

i brought

[shaun]:

of it there

[scott]:

i

[shaun]:

it's

[scott]:

brought

[shaun]:

really

[scott]:

all

[shaun]:

great

[scott]:

my i brought all

[shaun]:

and

[scott]:

my

[shaun]:

spirit

[scott]:

old

[shaun]:

catchers

[scott]:

precious moments and and humbles there as

[chris]:

homels

[scott]:

well

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

right

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

it right

[scott]:

i actually

[shaun]:

right

[scott]:

display

[shaun]:

right

[scott]:

a

[shaun]:

right

[scott]:

special

[shaun]:

right

[scott]:

one

[shaun]:

it's

[scott]:

each

[shaun]:

crazy

[scott]:

month the

[shaun]:

right

[scott]:

no i mean i just you know it was interesting

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

to hear

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

what these guys proposed on that and yeah i think there are sometimes where people you know it's a stretch with what it is when you're talking about i get it we want to be compensated for our work and we should be and i'm not saying that we shouldn't but there

[chris]:

agree

[scott]:

are sometimes just some

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

things that you do in a variety

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

of different specialty positions

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

that may be not every minute of every time

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

you know are you getting paid for that's just kind of comes with the

[shaun]:

ah

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

and you know what and good good supervisors and good organizations out there they recognize that so even

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

though you're not being monetarily compensated for it i think that's something that that good leaders see that

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

hey that guy is not doing this because he's expecting to get paid for every second

[shaun]:

m

[scott]:

of what it is that they're doing

[shaun]:

ah

[scott]:

and those things

[chris]:

oh

[scott]:

i think they sometimes bring other benefits down the road so that's that's

[chris]:

yeah

[scott]:

one way to look at it but yeah i mean we've we've i've been

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

in positions you know being on call and all these different types of things that you do and get paid and you know sometimes it's it's good sometimes it's bad sometimes you're exhausted but

[shaun]:

yeah

[scott]:

that just comes with the job so i think those guys will have to see me they were going to

[shaun]:

yes

[scott]:

have to make a different approach down there but glad we're able to just shed a little light on kind of what meant for us and what happens in our and our

[chris]:

m

[scott]:

different agencies on

[shaun]:

oh

[scott]:

and how that works

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

yeah when you said specialized position did you mean

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

uh bagpipe band police bagpipe band

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

drummer

[scott]:

i mean i didn't

[shaun]:

did

[scott]:

want

[shaun]:

you

[scott]:

to

[shaun]:

mean that

[scott]:

single

[shaun]:

by chance

[scott]:

any

[shaun]:

because i'm goin i'm gonna come clean right now and in front of the whole world shook

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

that system down no

[scott]:

i

[shaun]:

one

[scott]:

didn't want to single

[shaun]:

here's the

[scott]:

anything

[shaun]:

deal with that

[scott]:

out

[shaun]:

it's a

[scott]:

i

[shaun]:

total

[scott]:

didn't want

[shaun]:

joke

[scott]:

to single

[shaun]:

because if you

[scott]:

out

[shaun]:

know anything

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

about bagpiping it you talk about bag piping like people are like oh my daughter is getting married do you want to play a bagpipe drum at my daughter's wed for me it's like am i

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

gonna do a drum sella it the hellwhatare you talking about they don't ask you the pipers are always getting money

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

all

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

oh my god you know the wavy air

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

that the bag pipers and they're terrible and people

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

are so drunk weddings don't even know how that guy he can't even get his picking

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

drones running

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

writes like

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

the people are crying and blubbering about you don't even know what's going on the drummers couldn't get anything nobody like unless they had three or more

[scott]:

hey

[shaun]:

pipers

[scott]:

you

[shaun]:

you

[scott]:

played

[shaun]:

never got called

[scott]:

you

[shaun]:

out for that they were like yea

[scott]:

you

[shaun]:

and even

[scott]:

played

[shaun]:

if they

[scott]:

a

[shaun]:

did

[scott]:

rack

[shaun]:

they were lie

[scott]:

and

[shaun]:

we didn't

[scott]:

fortieth

[shaun]:

need you

[scott]:

birthday party here at my house i mean you can't put a price tag on that and i think we only i think we only paid we only paid you

[shaun]:

you

[scott]:

in

[shaun]:

really

[scott]:

uhtotinospiza

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

can't really can't

[scott]:

rolls and curs light

[shaun]:

okay

[scott]:

there was there

[shaun]:

right

[scott]:

was no hereasthere there's

[shaun]:

right right

[scott]:

no

[shaun]:

right

[scott]:

money

[shaun]:

right

[scott]:

in

[shaun]:

right

[scott]:

it but you know

[shaun]:

i was in a musician's

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

union at that point till you know

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

and i mean like i was

[scott]:

it

[shaun]:

like

[scott]:

was

[shaun]:

when i doing here i got i got literally no i got drummed out of that union because i was playing gigs on the side

[scott]:

oh

[shaun]:

that

[scott]:

boy

[shaun]:

they didn't know about

[scott]:

scab

[shaun]:

like it's like you know when you have to go to indiana

[scott]:

scab

[shaun]:

when you work in illinois in the labor union

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

yeah i know what you're

[chris]:

m

[shaun]:

doing i let me see that blister on that finger is

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

from drumming

[scott]:

right

[shaun]:

you were doing

[scott]:

they

[shaun]:

for

[scott]:

blew

[shaun]:

twelve

[scott]:

that

[shaun]:

hours

[scott]:

an inflatable rat up in front of your house and everything

[shaun]:

ah

[scott]:

you're like a scab drummer

[shaun]:

right exactly right right

[chris]:

oh

[shaun]:

right right

[chris]:

man

[shaun]:

right but they got they got the they

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

got the played of the tartan wrong so i like

[chris]:

yeah

[shaun]:

i'm

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

not sure

[scott]:

that

[shaun]:

what you're

[scott]:

wasn't

[shaun]:

talking

[scott]:

me

[shaun]:

about that wasn't

[scott]:

that wasn't

[shaun]:

me

[scott]:

me

[shaun]:

when your talking about that

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

wasn't me

[chris]:

yah

[scott]:

yeah

[shaun]:

i didn't do that right any

[scott]:

oh

[chris]:

anyway well

[shaun]:

anyway

[chris]:

everybody

[shaun]:

christopher

[chris]:

thank you so much for listening to the show if you

[shaun]:

oh

[chris]:

have any comments

[scott]:

oh

[chris]:

questions ideas for a show please email a three cops

[shaun]:

oh

[chris]:

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[scott]:

yeah

[chris]:

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[shaun]:

yeah

[chris]:

thanks everybody

[scott]:

yes

[chris]:

be thanks

[shaun]:

oh

[chris]:

gentlemen talk to you guys later bit

[shaun]:

joe clark joe clark take us home joy