104: The Old College Try

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all right folks we're back it's me and

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to

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the thrifty norwegian again scott is back with

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it's

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us today

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me

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so it's just the two of us today because chris as had some other pressing issues professionally that he had to deal with tonight ah

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wrestling alligators

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wrestling alligators right at paying off form he got those really cool white boots that come up to his knees

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it

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now and those cake shorts and the sleeveless t shirt which is you know

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all right

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you know it's ol thing about th lev the shirt there's really no commitment to having good arms any more particularly

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oh no

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in florida if you wear the sleeveless

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no

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shirts you don't have the good caps you don't have to have triceps you just you

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no

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have it

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all

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and

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you need is a barby or tattoo

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exactly something

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an

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you

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old

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just beat

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faded

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me to it right

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bar play

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or or

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or like yang yang

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yeah

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or

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right

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okay

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florida gaiters low god or something you know

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right or like a mighty

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seminal

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mouse or mighty

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my boss

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mouse

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right right exactly right right only god will

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somethin

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judge me kind of it yes that's that's true

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right

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but anyway were you know i was thinking

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oh

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about the other day you know scott and i had a gig that we did together when we early on in our careers we

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yeah

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were campus liaison officers you know you're a police officer that kind of

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oh

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works closely with a college and in and amongst your community like municipal

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oh

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police versus campus police

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oh

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thing at the time we did it we kind of jumped down because e thought it would be a good you know rear enhancer

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kay

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and things like that and just you know

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oh

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it was just different so we said what the heck in his zone that we were working and we were switching off and handling it and you know i started thinking about

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oh

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that experience and ower at the point our kids are actually getting ready to go to college

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oh

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and we know a whole lot more about policing and matters that affect why

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yeah

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you should consider that when you're selecting a college a

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h

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lot of people would probably

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m

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steer you away from that and now particularly colleges like to steer you away from thinking

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oh

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about that but that's what this show is going to be about it's talking a little bit about that a few years

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yeah

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ago my daughter has graduated since but i was taking her

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oh

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on college visits and i never thought even then to ask about hey what's

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yeah

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like you know what's the area like

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yeah

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you know

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right

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you know what's the surrounding environs like and things like that and sky have now both been in jobs related to contributing to you know that information and things that affect that so scott i know you've been taking the kinder around a little bit right

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yeah

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haven't

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we've

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you

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been yeah we've been on the move and obviously with my son out at

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yeah

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kansas university kansas having a good time out there

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is

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and

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a rock rock cha

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rock chalk

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that's

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rock

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right

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chalk

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right

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and a hell of a two years in a row from

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m

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national champions basketball last

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m

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year and

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yeah

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i think that's still going to be a ball game this year for

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yeah florida

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football

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i mean

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which is

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florida was where we started talking about were just like everybody's

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yeah

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football down there in the south

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yeah

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but k s been killing it actually

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h

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doing really well with football

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m but and you know like obviously we like you and i and chris know we're probably

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m

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more in tune with that when you're thinking about with

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m

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chris having kids in college too you

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oh

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look you dive a little deeper to where your kids are looking at schools

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at

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and think more about like that hey what's the crime you know it's he it's a good school he is it a fun school is it you know all that good stuff but what's the crime like what what's this city like or

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oh

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if it's a college in a in a big

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oh

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city what part of the big city

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yes

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is it in is it in a relatively good area is it something where

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m

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i'm going to be concerned about my kids leaving the

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okay

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general vicinity of the campus because it's you know there's crime outside of that or

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yeah

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you know or does it just have its

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yeah

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kind of like all college towns have just you know their full the crime and whatever but

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oh

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something you definitely think about more

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m

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now that you've got kids that are

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you

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that are going to school

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know when i worked at college for a little while and i'll tell you it was definitely very different than what i imagined i always say to people i joke with him now about

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yeah

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why i decided to leave was you can never go home again college is really

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yeah

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best for college students

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oh

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and not anybody else i'm just going to leave it at that you know at i mean that's been my experience with because everything else is is an expense it's a worry it's am i getting what it's what i'm paying for you hear all these things in the news you see what in a lot of ways

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yeah

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in ortunally

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ye

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colleges are producing for the are you getting the bank for

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yeah

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your book and people worry about like well student loan forgiveness well it's not just about hey well this person wanted to go get a

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yeah

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degree and something that wasn't very helpful to them or our economy or anything else the same sense some people make

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ah

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the argument that if you forgive debt colleges never are responsible with the money that they're given because you know if you get federal aid on any level there's an act that's out there that's called clear act which was created well it started in nineteen eighty six and the excess of it is horrible as the young woman named jean and clare who was a student i believe at leh who was raped and murdered in her dorm and apparently there was somewhat

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m

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in the realm of eighty six similar incidents that had happened in and around campus there were violent crimes that nobody in the area knew about

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yeah

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and that was probably a disconnect between the lege uh and as well as you know the police agencies that service the college whether it was a campus

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yeah

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college police force or a you know municipality

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public safety or

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yeah

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something

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public safety

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right

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like that or manis patty that worked in close with them so in nineteen ninety that law was created that requires the recording of all that that has to be published every year on october first and parents if youre out there listening look it up for your college like what is the clery

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hm

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one of the most common crimes that occur

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my

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in this area a shared geographic area with it

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oh

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you know like

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m

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you know the university of chicago has an area around it that hasn't ancre high crime rate um even though it's one of the most prestigious

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oh

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academic institutions may be in america i mean i know indiana jones went there so it's got to be

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ah

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you know what i'm talkin

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and if anybody knew that indiana jones went there it would be you

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exactly

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right

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and again half of that statement that i just made is mythical but it's true when you're in that neighborhood and around that area it's a little rough and then you see like the college the campus itself so what's it it's a dicotomous world as they say like inside

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hm

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and outside of campus and some of the things that have recently happened between the police and the rest of the community that we serve has been tightened to a level on college campus is that is like almost unrealistic with their hatred and vitriol towards police and you know some of the better college campuses and some of the better colleges in america are probably going hey we still need the police and we eed to respect the fact that we have to work closely with them because if you want a full on police department for your school you're gonna have a

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oh

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school that's making so much money charging so much intuition being such a large draw that a lot of folks say when my students just

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well

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my kid is just a student a number and not

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oh

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anybody at it and they're going there mostly for football games and just the experience and maybe the nestolodge of a parent going there or something

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yeah

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like that or they're getting something

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yeah

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that provides a decent service to them and

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oh

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policing on your campus ship a big part of that and you know we can start off by talking about like just from our experience of being municipal cops and dealing with campus cops and what the mentality of that is and on this show we don't pull any punches us to what it is we're ten you not what deans or chiefs of police or politicians want to tell you we're just goin t tell you what the reality of it is on the ground and a lot of time there's animus between the two groups like you know college

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m

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policing is very

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m

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very different than the real world of policing

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m

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because there's a greater authority inserted in the middle of that in your level of government

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m

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beyond just like the police and the elected officials well at colle has that the state officials that you know execute legislate

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oh

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laws but now you have college officials in the middle of all of that and alumni and all sorts of things that it can impact what happens on that so in a lot of ways you end up on a college campus as a copy because youth you've retired and gone there and you just want to stay on the work and still want to do it or you're maybe getting your feet wet in policing

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hm

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and you want to get to it or you really couldn't go anywhere else and it was a low paying gig because that's generally how most campus cop jobs are because they don't allot that money towards policing because ideally in the past they haven't had to so you know when you came across these guys on campus they felt like oh you're not taking me seriously because i'm a campus cop and you know you were just as a shuman as a cop listened to what other cops said yeah those guys don't know hat they're doing over the an it wasn't their fault it as just they didn't have the res orses or maybe the training where the school doesn't understand policing like police do and let's just be straight the policing profession has been one that is either rejected at academia or academic has rejected the police profess and forever i mean let's just be straight about it like

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hm

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um you know what i'm talking about scott like if you try to go to

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m

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a college campus and say hey look i've

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an

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got twenty years of real world police experience you're going to say all right let me see your mask and then are you working on your doctor and i'm like that's like twelve years like man i

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right

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can't take twelve years out of a policing profession

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a

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and say i'm getting my doctor and have people go oh well you know what you're doing now i'm not knocking anybody that's done that but in the real world you talk to real cops they're like

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yeah

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this guy was off the street forever he didn't even see changes and trends and law

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m

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enforcement so there is that

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yeah

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animis sometimes that exists in that level of communications that's difficult so it's great one of local agents and college agency can really interact with each other and get along with each other

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yeah i mean i don't know what it was that i don't even remember

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oh

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when we were doing that obviously it was many years ago and we

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m

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we weren't the first ones to do it i don't think

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no

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but we got we got created to do it and at the time um you know like you said it's it's a career builder and it's a way to get to know we both worked in that area where the college was at so it was like

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yeah

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okay why not you know and they there

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a

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was there was a lot of good people that worked for there they

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yeah

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weren't i don't

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yeah

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think sworn police they were more like public safety but still

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yeah eh

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they wanted

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m

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a resource with the police department so i was like

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yeah

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okay sure why not and

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oh

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you know it was kind of fun we i mean you know of course you

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oh

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put together all the power points and all that good stuff when we went

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m

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in you know for those like

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yeah

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those couple

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right

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of incoming freshman classes or whatever

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yeah

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we did

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right

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we did like a power point

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oh

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and you know tried to make it as

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yeah

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funny as we could be for being cops and we you know too people's questions like realistic questions they would pretty open for them like

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yeah

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hey you know what do you want to ask us what what

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i

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what are you concerned about um

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and then

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and we also

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we did a dong tank to remember the dog tank

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right the and the

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yeah oh

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we told them too like hey this is what you

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oh

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can expect as a college student if you wind up interacting with the police like

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that's

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you know some of its safety tips and all that kind of stuff and how to just be

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yeah

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careful being a college kid and

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yeah

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knowing your surroundings and all that good stuff but then

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oh

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you know we told them a lot of stories about that stories but we told them about

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m

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hey you know if you get caught under age drink and this is what to happen

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oh

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because at the

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ah

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end of the day we're all realistic here like

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oh

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hey it's probably something that could wind up happening

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yeah

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to you so

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right right

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you know you get a ticket you pay a fine you go to traffic court whatever it is

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yeah

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and i don't know i felt like they appreciated

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m

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the just kind of openness of being

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ah

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able to ask questions and us telling them stuff and then

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oh

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you know in our situation they invited us to a handful of different campus events where

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yeah

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um

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i remember

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we talked about like

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oh

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ber they had like some crazy like these beer goggles they call them like that you put these glasses on and it like simulated being

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fatal

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drunk

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vision they

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and

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go ye

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yeah fatal

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right

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vision and

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right

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you drive around a golf cart and it would give

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eh

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basically the

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yes

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same sense of what it was like being drunk and people are running over cones and

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yeah

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stuff and it's funny but at the same time it's serious and you're

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m

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just trying to you're having those interactions with him and i

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oh

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it sounds cheesy but

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a

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there was a lot of times

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yes

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where they then reached out for reached out to us for things that were going on there

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ah

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and we went and dealt with you know helped them out with a hand full of different

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oh

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things on the college campus

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oh

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and i think when you already had that

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oh

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when you'd already kind of built that relationship um i think it was like a little more acceptable than when we got involved in again this was prior to kind of some current time things

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yeah proud

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current

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of george floyd basically the george

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right

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food

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yeah

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incident right

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right and we at the time

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oh

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seemed like a good good program and it worked well they

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oh

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used to let us come into their building that we could sit and write reports in there so you had a little extra

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oh

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police presence you

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yeah

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know we'd come over there and do that kind of stuff so

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m

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it was good it was sure lived i think we

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ah

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only did it know a couple of years and i don't honestly not long after that i think they kind of did away with

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yah

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the program

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ah

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but

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yeah and i think the college we're

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oh

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talking about up there you know police power

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oh yeah

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presence

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that's

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you

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what

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know

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right

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they

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yeah

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started

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right

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certifying their officers within the state and tings like that but even then you know it's not just cop the cop that a level of disrespect

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oh

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or a level of whatever you want to call let's not call it disrespect let's call it just

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oh

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a level of animus or you know you know stranger in a strange land kind of a thing but it was also the people that they served like you know numerous times we go to calls and the students themselves lie you're not a real cop i don't have to pay attention you it's just like do you realize that this non real cop has way more power to make your life way

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right

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more difficult than i do like

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yeah

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at's that most college campus chiefs have said o s a purp study that was done the police executive research formed in one in june of twenty twenty one that was started by an go back to the episodes with isis ab kevin ames

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oh

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who was a guest in our show he is a temp cop and tempe probably leads the

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oh

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nation in with a arizona state university being in there

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yeah

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leads the nation in like that municipal

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oh

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campus policing bond it like sets probably some of the best examples in the united states on how to interact because it's just such a huge part of that community but we get there and we'd be like dude look i'll just take you to jail and you'll be bonded out be in whatever and your parents might not even know about it but if this dude takes this to some sort of a den of discipline your parents are going to know like within minutes as to what's going on because

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right

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they're spending good money for you be here um

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right

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because it was a d three school or whatever it was that you know those circumstances like

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yeah

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that you'll be off the team the coach will find out and you'll be done

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yeah

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i don't care how good you think you are

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i'm writing you a

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yeah

[scott]: 13:50

hundred dollar hunder and fifty dollar

[shaun]: 13:51

oh

[scott]: 13:51

drinking ticket but

[shaun]: 13:53

yeah

[scott]: 13:54

it's going to be way worse consequences

[shaun]: 13:55

yeah

[scott]: 13:56

with the school when they you know whateve you had alcohol in your room you had this you had that

[shaun]: 14:00

yeah weed or

[scott]: 14:01

yeah

[shaun]: 14:01

whatever you know

[scott]: 14:02

yeah

[shaun]: 14:02

kind of

[scott]: 14:02

there's going to be like they can like

[shaun]: 14:04

ye

[scott]: 14:05

depending on how

[shaun]: 14:05

yeah

[scott]: 14:05

serious is they can kick you out of school

[shaun]: 14:08

right

[scott]: 14:08

so it's like i just your ticket you go to

[shaun]: 14:11

right

[scott]: 14:11

traffic court and

[shaun]: 14:12

right

[scott]: 14:12

you get a

[shaun]: 14:12

right

[scott]: 14:12

ticket you get put on court supervision these guys they have the authority to really make your life miserable

[shaun]: 14:19

well i mean we just create a burden to the system the already overburdened system

[scott]: 14:24

ah

[shaun]: 14:24

this guy can actually make you tell funny stories around the zero machine

[scott]: 14:28

oh

[shaun]: 14:28

when you're wearing a short shirt a tie for the rest of your life so which one do you want to deal with maybe you should treat this campus cap with a little bit more respect because you know

[scott]: 14:35

right

[shaun]: 14:35

what i mean like

[scott]: 14:36

right

[shaun]: 14:37

anyway i golf but i hate golf remember

[scott]: 14:40

oh

[shaun]: 14:40

that from one school let but but you know the thing about a lot of that is that you depended upon how big your campus

[scott]: 14:50

yeah

[shaun]: 14:50

is depends upon how big your agency is but still no matter what you have to rely are they are agencies

[scott]: 14:55

ah

[shaun]: 14:56

if you're a campus community because police is expensive let's not you know let's just not lie about it i mean it's a huge

[scott]: 15:01

okay

[shaun]: 15:01

budget line item for any major municipality so for a college st say now we need to have our own set we need to have this we ve imagine like in the south east college football is king i mean it is just king and you know south carolina where i'm at has two major universities

[scott]: 15:19

ah

[shaun]: 15:19

one of them does better in college football right now then the other but both of them pack the house and when you talk about like a hundred and fifty thousand people national televsand people coming in from all over the place you need help you need help from other agencies

[scott]: 15:32

right

[shaun]: 15:32

so those those relationship that you have with those agencies no matter how small or big your college is is important because one of the other things that can happen is a mass casualty incident where there's a bunch of people you can't have a mass casualty incident unless there's a lot of people around in colleges or places

[scott]: 15:45

hm

[shaun]: 15:45

well come to make statements and say hey um everybody hates guns on campus they're not allowed to have guns on campus because that's

[scott]: 15:51

oh

[shaun]: 15:52

the rule i pretty much think in every state you can't have guns on campus unless you're a cop well if i was sinister individual i wanted it to prey upon people like that in northern illinois i mean it goes back as far as university of texas when a marine climbed into the tower and shout seventeen people

[scott]: 16:05

hm

[shaun]: 16:06

that happened

[scott]: 16:06

right

[shaun]: 16:07

in austin i mean t was awful and those are the kind of things that happen so if you don't have a relationship with that local agency you're goin

[scott]: 16:14

oh

[shaun]: 16:14

to get a response from guys that may or may not know the campus may or may not know the area may not know how

[scott]: 16:20

oh

[shaun]: 16:20

to get to a building where the key s are

[scott]: 16:22

oh

[shaun]: 16:22

how you get to these people how do you vile people one of those areas those are very important

[scott]: 16:26

oh

[shaun]: 16:26

things because of the two things that most college police executives are concerned about is active for incidents are mass shooting incidents and unfortunately sex assaults the mass shooting incidents we can point to numerous ones that give credence to that but also

[scott]: 16:42

kay

[shaun]: 16:43

when you talk about the sex assault thing that is something that has to the fact that maybe more victims are now willing to step forward but between two thousand and one and current they say there's been like a three hundred and seventy something percent increase

[scott]: 16:54

hm

[shaun]: 16:54

in the number of reported sexual assaults well all those have to be investigated and

[scott]: 16:59

yeah

[shaun]: 17:00

researched and based upon facts and evidence and things along those lines and some of that stuff is lost

[scott]: 17:05

a

[shaun]: 17:05

even when they do happen some of them aren't not legitimate but you know have to be investigated that's another thing that's an area of concern if you have a police agency that say your budget item your line item budget for your police agency is seventy five thousand dollars a year and maybe in addition to pay role for people

[scott]: 17:24

oh

[shaun]: 17:25

you're not going to be able to send people to top you out schools across the country

[scott]: 17:28

hm

[shaun]: 17:28

plus you're not going to be staffed for it because if you take one person out of the mix say hey you're going to be my sex crimes detective

[scott]: 17:33

m

[shaun]: 17:34

to go handle all these i got to send you a radio and eight of course that's two weeks for you're down a body or maybe your agency is only ten people that puts a strain on other people you have

[scott]: 17:43

oh

[shaun]: 17:43

to pay for that these are all things that people don't think about and concerned about it with clearly you want to make sure that these things are being invested properly that people are informed about it that counseling s done the right way that everyone's informed of the process and the crimes that are occurring on campus and that all

[scott]: 17:57

oh

[shaun]: 17:57

costs money so it's all very convoluted and tangled but these are things that if you're considering a college you should ask yourself well you know where's the clear report can i find out what's going on with that and

[scott]: 18:08

oh

[shaun]: 18:09

they have to buy law if they're getting federal aid and they have more than like ten thousand students i believe is what it is and that

[scott]: 18:14

yeah i

[shaun]: 18:15

number

[scott]: 18:15

don't know what

[shaun]: 18:15

i

[scott]: 18:15

the

[shaun]: 18:15

can

[scott]: 18:15

cut off is

[shaun]: 18:16

that number could be an issue but the bottom line is is that even even schools that are below that are probably doing some form of commitment to that just

[scott]: 18:23

yeah

[shaun]: 18:23

because it's a recruiting

[scott]: 18:24

oh

[shaun]: 18:24

tool let's also talk about the girl in the room with that

[scott]: 18:29

m

[shaun]: 18:29

colleges are like cities cities

[scott]: 18:32

yeah

[shaun]: 18:32

don't want you to constantly focus on the crime that's going on in their cities

[scott]: 18:36

oh

[shaun]: 18:36

case in point i chicago well there's other things going on in chicago you ask anybody like chris and i have travelled elsewhere in the world and people will say you were in chicago holy crap was like i wasn't really in chicago yeah but whatever they just make the assumption that like we're living in like venom or something you know during

[scott]: 18:52

hm

[shaun]: 18:52

the height of the

[scott]: 18:53

oh

[shaun]: 18:53

war um that's what people think of chicago were colleges are in the same

[scott]: 18:58

ah

[shaun]: 18:58

boat they don't want people to constantly think even though a lot of colleges are in inner cities surrounded by impoverished areas where there's higher crime rates that in any way impacts what's going on north westerns and big college that really railed against the police after

[scott]: 19:12

oh

[shaun]: 19:13

the george foot instance to the point where it became rebellious

[scott]: 19:15

oh

[shaun]: 19:16

and they wanted to advertise with with the evanston police department in evanston illinois the chicago police department and then you start saying yourself well you guys are big enough campus that you still need a policing agency where you don't have

[scott]: 19:27

right

[shaun]: 19:27

the budgeting for this i mean i know a lot of rich people go to the western and it's a great school but the bottom line is to separate all of your ties from that colleges are in a tough spot because they don't want people not to come there because they think there's a crime problem but in the same sense

[scott]: 19:41

yeah

[shaun]: 19:41

if they don't report it they're liable for that and if they try to separate themselves because they have a let's just say i'm again i'm not pulling any punches college campus es are gend up

[scott]: 19:51

yeah

[shaun]: 19:51

places where people can just live in a fantasy and say all cops are inherently races that's a problem

[scott]: 19:56

yeah

[shaun]: 19:56

we want to save a tie with him it's like no well if that was the case then based upon my current job and jobs that i've had like with scott i should consider every drunk every college could have drunk idiot

[scott]: 20:06

right

[shaun]: 20:07

because i've seen way more of them being drunk idiots than cops

[scott]: 20:09

okay

[shaun]: 20:10

being out of control so in fairness let's just call it what it is people are being unrealistic about what they expect from cops and when you separate anything do with them you're only going to punish yourself you you know you're

[scott]: 20:23

oh

[shaun]: 20:23

cutting off your nose despite your face

[scott]: 20:24

yah

[shaun]: 20:25

and and that's what is concerning about some of this stuff and this development of relationships between municipal policing and campus policing is something that it's very important

[scott]: 20:34

m

[shaun]: 20:34

now scott

[scott]: 20:34

oh

[shaun]: 20:34

with the clear act as the intil guy what can you explain a little bit more to our folks what that entails

[scott]: 20:41

yeah so i mean obviously we were on the other side of this many years ago when we were just

[shaun]: 20:46

yeah

[scott]: 20:47

working with the college but now

[shaun]: 20:48

yeah

[scott]: 20:49

that i've done the intil related stuff we actually actually have people are responsible for pulling the stats

[shaun]: 20:55

yes

[scott]: 20:55

and i actually see the requests that come through like from this particular college saying you know this is the area that we're looking at these are the types of crimes that we our researching you know the and what we're putting into our statistics so

[shaun]: 21:11

oh

[scott]: 21:12

when you see that it's like wow you know when you set that area around there and see what it is that they're looking for and what kind of staps there are you start to get kind of a snapshot of what it's kind of a snapshot of just the the municipality kind of overall and you know

[shaun]: 21:32

ah

[scott]: 21:32

fortunately it's not a lot of violent crime or bad things happening to people it's you know a lot of thefts and all the different things that come into it but the the colleges and the universities have to be really diligent about getting all this information and putting it in there and making sure that it's as accurate as possible so that's of like

[shaun]: 21:52

m

[scott]: 21:52

the side that i'm on now where it's like okay what what specific things are you looking for what's your date range what's your area where this where you're requesting this information from um you know and then sometimes there's

[shaun]: 22:05

yeah

[scott]: 22:06

the there's these one off

[shaun]: 22:07

oh

[scott]: 22:07

where it's like okay well was called this but what was it really you know what i mean like something might be initially classed as one type of offense but maybe it was something else so there's some of those that you need to kind of sift through a little bit and we have really good people that pull all those stats and it essentially comes through like a fo request by the by the colleges of the universities

[shaun]: 22:28

oh

[scott]: 22:29

and that's that's how they draw that information they put all the parameters out there of what it is and

[shaun]: 22:34

yeah

[scott]: 22:35

you know never really knowing anything about that on the back side and now being years later with kids in college and all that it is a good thing for people to know if they're looking at an area for maybe where they're goin have kids going to college and

[shaun]: 22:49

oh

[scott]: 22:50

they hear one thing about the college environment but then they hear another thing about well what about this i'm not really sure about this

[shaun]: 22:57

oh

[scott]: 22:57

this city or you know whatever a great thing to be able to look at to say well hey here's the numbers he these are the numbers this is what

[shaun]: 23:06

yeah

[scott]: 23:06

the university makes requests for this is what they track

[shaun]: 23:09

oh

[scott]: 23:10

here's what they got

[shaun]: 23:12

m

[scott]: 23:13

and if you want to see it like hard numbers

[shaun]: 23:15

oh

[scott]: 23:15

it's a good way to look at i mean obviously i would encourage anybody that's looking to send their kids to college anywhere

[shaun]: 23:21

oh

[scott]: 23:21

to go you know they're going to visit try to familiarize yourself with with the area around the college you know but you're not going to know everything and it might all look hey great no problems

[shaun]: 23:32

yes

[scott]: 23:32

none of this and then you see that clear report and you're like holy cow there

[shaun]: 23:35

wait

[scott]: 23:35

was

[shaun]: 23:36

a minute

[scott]: 23:36

yeah you know what i mean

[shaun]: 23:37

and

[scott]: 23:37

i mean

[shaun]: 23:38

and the thing that's important about that is like think about towns that have colleges in them the college is a big part of that town that town life now most of the residents from the college are largely only there for four years some

[scott]: 23:47

ah

[shaun]: 23:47

people stay longer dependent on the size of

[scott]: 23:50

okay

[shaun]: 23:50

the college and the size of the city but the bottom line is that a lot of people go to that college become a part of that community like another thing you consider is the camp housing situation for kids like when my daughter went to the school that she went to campus housing was available for the first two years and then it was all about off houses campus

[scott]: 24:08

hm

[shaun]: 24:08

housing

[scott]: 24:09

oh

[shaun]: 24:10

um and that's a concern that's something part of also the people in that community how do they feel about that college if it's largely let's saying i'm not saying this is adversarial or bad at it hasn't happened before um you know is it a largely blue our area like in the past when we were young blue collar people were resentful of people that went to college becase he thought it was a privilege and all the other things and it could create resentment within the towns like townes fighting with you know college kids you know so how do those college kids were they coming from like in a different part like one of the funny things about being in the midwest was iowa was a huge college where we you know we were where we were my sister went to everybody you know every other person

[scott]: 24:49

yeah

[shaun]: 24:49

who talked about the iowa was like neighbor ville west is what they said

[scott]: 24:52

ah

[shaun]: 24:52

edit anyway but the bottom line is is that

[scott]: 24:55

oh

[shaun]: 24:55

you know where people come from also impacts upon how those people interact with the local police and if

[scott]: 25:02

yeah

[shaun]: 25:02

they have a resentment towards the police based upon where they were again college is about diversity and expanding your mind go there and say he maybe these cops aren't the same kind of cops as the cops that i was used to feel with that's why i left that's why i came to this school

[scott]: 25:14

yeah

[shaun]: 25:14

because i felt maybe that city didn't do anything to address that

[scott]: 25:17

oh

[shaun]: 25:18

well then you come there and you act that way towards a coptic usually deal with people that are usually pretty cool with them or her well to

[scott]: 25:23

hm

[shaun]: 25:24

get a different response and though all of those things can create tensions and problems within particularly since like we've said numerous times george floyd situation a lot of that has

[scott]: 25:32

yeah

[shaun]: 25:32

left the college campus and really strained relationship s between colleges and the municipalities

[scott]: 25:36

oh

[shaun]: 25:37

that they serve or they're with

[scott]: 25:38

oh

[shaun]: 25:39

the municipalities

[scott]: 25:40

ah

[shaun]: 25:40

that can serve with them and then also strained relationships between

[scott]: 25:43

oh

[shaun]: 25:43

look if you're the director of public safety for a college i one stand that you can be a principled individual and you'll do what's right under the guides of law and we all say that and swear to it but at the end of every day we all

[scott]: 25:54

ah

[shaun]: 25:54

look at who's writing our checks and if i have

[scott]: 25:56

oh

[shaun]: 25:57

to make that decision i'm either going to side

[scott]: 25:59

kay

[shaun]: 25:59

with what the guy the top or guy at the top

[scott]: 26:01

oh

[shaun]: 26:01

is saying or i'm going to resign and leave and you have to make those decisions those are really big burdens for yourself

[scott]: 26:06

yeah

[shaun]: 26:07

but the bottom line is is that you know if the people at the top are saying we're not interacting with them we don't want nothing to do with them forget about it that puts a really an executive and the officers from that agency in a tough spot when they need some help like cops will always come to help each they're out they will but the bottom line

[scott]: 26:23

hm

[shaun]: 26:23

is when the cops get there

[scott]: 26:24

yeah

[shaun]: 26:25

what is the level of treatment i'm going to get when i get there what am i going to be accused of you're starting to see that now with police officers

[scott]: 26:31

ah

[shaun]: 26:31

like hey i'm not going to this town over there because in that county which is just one block away i can go to jail for what i'm doing if somebody thinks

[scott]: 26:38

yeah

[shaun]: 26:38

i did something wrong and those are

[scott]: 26:40

what

[shaun]: 26:40

realities of what's going on in the ground so again

[scott]: 26:42

ah

[shaun]: 26:42

you know it's this time of the year everybody thinking about while it's coming up my kids a junior they'regetting ready to make a decision about a college these are

[scott]: 26:50

oh

[shaun]: 26:50

all things that you need to think

[scott]: 26:51

oh

[shaun]: 26:51

about because all of these things can impact the quality of life that should be a great time for you i remember colleges for college kids it's not for parents for parents to be proud of it

[scott]: 27:02

oh

[shaun]: 27:02

it's not for the people that teach its about the product

[scott]: 27:04

wait wait

[shaun]: 27:04

that

[scott]: 27:05

what

[shaun]: 27:05

a college is producing it exactly right when they say it no more keggstands we're going striking

[scott]: 27:10

uh yeah

[shaun]: 27:10

on the

[scott]: 27:11

wait

[shaun]: 27:11

odrightright

[scott]: 27:11

a second wait a second

[shaun]: 27:13

it's not like old school at all it's actually a lot of what happened at old school is illegal it was funny but it was illegal

[scott]: 27:18

you know what though is like i went to western illinois university and it was

[shaun]: 27:23

yeah

[scott]: 27:23

interesting because macome illinois

[shaun]: 27:25

ye

[scott]: 27:25

not only has there the

[shaun]: 27:28

yeah

[scott]: 27:28

municipal police they have campus police they have the county sheriff

[shaun]: 27:33

oh

[scott]: 27:34

in that

[shaun]: 27:34

ah

[scott]: 27:34

town as well and there's an illinois

[shaun]: 27:37

yet

[scott]: 27:37

state police district that's down in there so you

[shaun]: 27:41

oddly

[scott]: 27:41

had

[shaun]: 27:41

enough

[scott]: 27:42

four four layers

[shaun]: 27:44

right

[scott]: 27:44

of law enforcement there

[shaun]: 27:46

but oddly

[scott]: 27:46

and

[shaun]: 27:46

enough you know which

[scott]: 27:47

i

[shaun]: 27:47

agency

[scott]: 27:47

avoided

[shaun]: 27:47

was

[scott]: 27:48

all

[shaun]: 27:48

there

[scott]: 27:48

of

[shaun]: 27:48

first

[scott]: 27:48

them

[shaun]: 27:48

you know which agency was their first

[scott]: 27:50

yeah

[shaun]: 27:50

western illinois university

[scott]: 27:52

yeah

[shaun]: 27:53

so the

[scott]: 27:54

oh

[shaun]: 27:54

cops were it went where they were needed you know i mean

[scott]: 27:56

right

[shaun]: 27:57

i'm joking of course

[scott]: 27:58

like

[shaun]: 27:58

we

[scott]: 27:58

there's

[shaun]: 27:59

but

[scott]: 27:59

a reason

[shaun]: 27:59

the funny

[scott]: 27:59

there

[shaun]: 27:59

thing about

[scott]: 27:59

there's

[shaun]: 27:59

it like

[scott]: 28:00

a reason they're all here

[shaun]: 28:01

western illinois produces some of the most probably it's a cop factories

[scott]: 28:04

yeah

[shaun]: 28:04

what they

[scott]: 28:05

yeah

[shaun]: 28:05

a lot of people

[scott]: 28:05

yeah

[shaun]: 28:06

because you know this or that the bottom lines is like it's an environment i used to say to people because i did a lot of recruiting in illinois like western illinois university

[scott]: 28:13

yeah

[shaun]: 28:13

and i'm not expecting anything back from a kick back from western illinois or whatever but

[scott]: 28:18

oh

[shaun]: 28:18

they produced people that were kind of realistic what you're dealing with out in the world

[scott]: 28:24

oh

[shaun]: 28:25

the

[scott]: 28:25

oh

[shaun]: 28:25

layer the level of people that came from there were like just really good at like this is bad man why are we messing with this dude about this as opposed to well this is pretty serious we better get on it you

[scott]: 28:35

yeah

[shaun]: 28:35

know what i mean were you

[scott]: 28:36

oh

[shaun]: 28:36

know some places you produce people that are really so

[scott]: 28:39

oh

[shaun]: 28:39

like idealistic about what the law and rules and honor should be you all of these other things hat they don't ever consider people can get down on their luck become beyond attics things like that i'm not saying that you know that is the case for any other school but the bottom line is that western i really enjoyed the personalities of the people that came from

[scott]: 28:54

yeah

[shaun]: 28:55

that school because it was like very diverse and it was very realistic and

[scott]: 28:58

what

[shaun]: 28:59

more more common man

[scott]: 29:01

oh

[shaun]: 29:02

not to say just men went there but com man approach

[scott]: 29:04

oh

[shaun]: 29:04

to producing people that will serve you you know and i

[scott]: 29:07

well

[shaun]: 29:07

mean i thought

[scott]: 29:07

as a student as a student there you knew that there was a pretty heavy law enforcement presence in the area there and the fact that it was a school that

[shaun]: 29:18

oh

[scott]: 29:18

was really geared toward they're

[shaun]: 29:19

m

[scott]: 29:20

having a big criminal justice

[shaun]: 29:21

i

[scott]: 29:21

program so you know i mean again every college kid does stupid stuff

[shaun]: 29:25

yea

[scott]: 29:25

and it's part of the learning experience but

[shaun]: 29:28

ah

[scott]: 29:28

the

[shaun]: 29:28

yeah oh

[scott]: 29:29

all the interactions

[shaun]: 29:30

yeah

[scott]: 29:30

there you know it wasn't like even though you knew that there was that much that many police

[shaun]: 29:35

m

[scott]: 29:35

agencies and all that it was

[shaun]: 29:37

m

[scott]: 29:37

not like a real overbearing thing that you know you

[shaun]: 29:39

hm

[scott]: 29:39

felt like oh

[shaun]: 29:40

hm

[scott]: 29:41

my gosh you know

[shaun]: 29:42

m

[scott]: 29:42

everywhere i look there's cops everywhere that kind of stuff so i felt like they did a good job of keeping that balance of that you know

[shaun]: 29:51

well i guess the only other thing i would say to kind of end on this note is that something that i feel firmly haven't been on both sides of it now and it worked for college for a little while

[scott]: 29:59

yeah

[shaun]: 30:00

one you got to be prepared for that environment if you come from a higher in policing

[scott]: 30:04

yeah

[shaun]: 30:05

agency and you got to try to work on a camp you got realize there's so many different

[scott]: 30:08

m

[shaun]: 30:08

layers

[scott]: 30:09

yeah

[shaun]: 30:09

if you think governments buracratic go work it college

[scott]: 30:12

yes

[shaun]: 30:12

there's so many levels of bureaucracies at college is so many additional factors that have to impact because municipalities although they make money by rate you know taxes and things like that it's not about making money like a profit it's about providing equality of life for people give them the best service you can but a college it has to be about a profit because it's a product i mean you're producing people that go out in the world and do that stuff so there's a lot of layers of as a people as how is this going to be perceived how we're goin have to deal with this a lot of p r nightmares that cities are just like hey it's the main streets man this is what it is when you have eight million people crammed in a tiny island like new york city and they can kind of just roll with it in chicago

[scott]: 30:47

m

[shaun]: 30:48

and all these other bigger towns and maybe even other cities that are smaller but hey this is crime this is what happens when

[scott]: 30:53

m

[shaun]: 30:53

g m decides to leave like we talked in flint well hen your talking about college colleges are like they're supposed to be impervious to all of that supposed to be like hey we're bringing you here because we're making a difference in your life so there's so many different layers and all that stuff but one

[scott]: 31:05

yeah

[shaun]: 31:06

of the things that i think and i firmly believe

[scott]: 31:07

yeah

[shaun]: 31:07

this is that colleges look to your engineering department as to what you should do to produce a cop for america engineers have to go to these labs and do crazy things or r o t c for that matter you're producing officers um

[scott]: 31:21

hm

[shaun]: 31:21

to lead people in not saying pals

[scott]: 31:23

yeah

[shaun]: 31:23

i'm not saying it's the best way to get leaders but it is a proven way of going this person at least has established themselves on some level to show that they won't build a building that will fall down on top of all the people

[scott]: 31:34

yeah

[shaun]: 31:35

inside of it or they have taken

[scott]: 31:36

hm

[shaun]: 31:36

a test to do that and that's done a lot through labs laboratories like leadership labs building labs engineering labs well police work is

[scott]: 31:44

m

[shaun]: 31:44

not done that way it's done in the class room they never

[scott]: 31:46

yeah

[shaun]: 31:46

send you out like all it we're gonna ut you through the scenario based training we're going to teach you this in class and then we're going to do that well professors largely do things through academia you

[scott]: 31:55

m

[shaun]: 31:55

know published like

[scott]: 31:56

m

[shaun]: 31:57

you know dr mendel talked to us about early on an and this show about like a lot of it is just

[scott]: 32:02

m

[shaun]: 32:02

peer reviewed research and the peers never gone out and did the work you know she was very realistic about that it's just like i said at college is make like police intern ships your college campus police like

[scott]: 32:14

oh

[shaun]: 32:14

hey do this they're taking

[scott]: 32:16

yeah

[shaun]: 32:16

ownership in the campus they're seeing the community they got

[scott]: 32:18

m

[shaun]: 32:18

the serve their seeing the indifference the indignant

[scott]: 32:20

yeah

[shaun]: 32:21

can they handle that as a person as a young person because that's it's

[scott]: 32:23

hm

[shaun]: 32:24

a lot of cops and trouble like hey man i'm dealing with a guy that i know is

[scott]: 32:27

m

[shaun]: 32:27

younger than me and he's telling me to go myself and he's spitting on me and he's doing this or whatever and i got to walk amongst

[scott]: 32:32

m

[shaun]: 32:32

that guy on campus when i'm not in uniform those are the kind of things that will really help you develop people also bring people in from the police world as much as you might think because i don't have masters or a p that i don't really know what i'm talking about

[scott]: 32:44

ah

[shaun]: 32:44

i can help you train people to become police officers because i've done these scenarios over and over and over again from my own mistakes and realities not published work that i got by researching things

[scott]: 32:55

oh

[shaun]: 32:55

and i'm not dismissing that but the reality of our work is hands on and if cal needs to be a part of what the world wants out of cops college needs to kind of adapt to that and say if we're going to attract cops to this we

[scott]: 33:06

m

[shaun]: 33:06

need to develop facilities training all sorts of stuff and it's just not at the junior college level it's at

[scott]: 33:11

oh

[shaun]: 33:11

all levels if you want to be a cop that graduates from this school this cool this cool the curriculum and the training is kind of the same so people understand what they're getting and its stream in s the ability for people to get great cops from all over the country now what

[scott]: 33:25

you

[shaun]: 33:25

i'm saying

[scott]: 33:25

said i can't even follow i can't even follow that

[shaun]: 33:27

can you follow it up

[scott]: 33:28

yeah yeah i mean

[shaun]: 33:29

you

[scott]: 33:29

that's

[shaun]: 33:29

got nothing for me

[scott]: 33:29

that's where it's at yeah i mean i

[shaun]: 33:31

oh

[scott]: 33:31

love the idea of of having more of that

[shaun]: 33:36

oh

[scott]: 33:36

um hands on type stuff or scenario based stuff when it comes to

[shaun]: 33:41

oh

[scott]: 33:41

doing those degrees i mean i can only imagine how cool it would have been and before your degree in

[shaun]: 33:48

yeah

[scott]: 33:48

criminal justice but also maybe getting just some actual realistic

[shaun]: 33:51

what

[scott]: 33:52

exposure

[shaun]: 33:52

oh

[scott]: 33:52

now you're you're good you're good

[shaun]: 33:54

yes

[scott]: 33:54

professors i had professors that were actual

[shaun]: 33:57

oh

[scott]: 33:57

retire cops actually one was

[shaun]: 33:59

oh

[scott]: 33:59

still an active duty illinois state police trooper

[shaun]: 34:03

h

[scott]: 34:03

so

[shaun]: 34:04

m oh

[scott]: 34:04

you got a little taste of that but you know it would have been interesting to maybe expand it out even more than the class room and maybe give you an opportunity to go through some scenarios maybe give you an opportunity to do a class

[shaun]: 34:16

yeah

[scott]: 34:16

that went to a nearby police academy and got some exposure to something

[shaun]: 34:20

right

[scott]: 34:21

like that

[shaun]: 34:21

right

[scott]: 34:21

what and

[shaun]: 34:21

right

[scott]: 34:22

you know that would have been

[shaun]: 34:23

right

[scott]: 34:23

give you that little bit more realistic field

[shaun]: 34:26

because

[scott]: 34:26

than just being a college kid and sitting in class

[shaun]: 34:29

because you get good at doing this work through repetition

[scott]: 34:31

yeah

[shaun]: 34:31

and experience and

[scott]: 34:33

h

[shaun]: 34:33

if you can do that in

[scott]: 34:33

m

[shaun]: 34:33

training as close to realistic as every time as possible and you're doing it in low

[scott]: 34:37

yeah

[shaun]: 34:38

stress environments like hey i got to

[scott]: 34:40

m

[shaun]: 34:40

go help somebody jumps out of car i gotta go help somebody with a lock out hey i got to help somebody

[scott]: 34:45

m

[shaun]: 34:45

that's drunk that came back on camp

[scott]: 34:46

yeah

[shaun]: 34:46

because i know nobody rarely comes back on campus drunk if

[scott]: 34:49

yeah

[shaun]: 34:49

they even leave campus sober

[scott]: 34:51

right

[shaun]: 34:51

i mean let's just pull they pull no punches i mean alcohol and things like that it's part of the whole existence in college in the united states but like if you can learn to deal with that on that level through reputation where it's low it's innocuous you get used to collect information being tactically sound figuring things out helping

[scott]: 35:07

right

[shaun]: 35:07

people out medically as opposed to just arresting them that's huge

[scott]: 35:11

hm

[shaun]: 35:11

for you by the time you get on the street nd you're dealing with everyone in a community not just people that we think we need to police you know what i mean

[scott]: 35:18

right

[shaun]: 35:19

and

[scott]: 35:19

yep

[shaun]: 35:19

it would be very very helpful in that sense and that being said we'll go ahead and wrap it here because we wanted to give our listeners a something that is very

[scott]: 35:26

yeah

[shaun]: 35:26

important to us and that we've joined conclusion will probably way too late in our lives that we are we'll go

[scott]: 35:32

better

[shaun]: 35:32

from

[scott]: 35:32

relate

[shaun]: 35:32

here

[scott]: 35:32

than better late than never

[shaun]: 35:34

but if you want to get a hold of us for any reason please as we always say reach out to us at the email address of three cops talk a mail dot com that's the number three cops talk at mail dot com or you can check out our web page

[scott]: 35:45

m

[shaun]: 35:45

which is www three cops talk dot com that's three the number three cops do dot com over there you'll see any of the video is that we've put up

[scott]: 35:53

yeah

[shaun]: 35:53

future episodes past guests

[scott]: 35:55

yeah

[shaun]: 35:55

and we're always interested in hearing from you guys

[scott]: 35:58

yeah

[shaun]: 35:58

um if you want to please reach out to us and let us now what's going on and in the meantime be safe

[scott]: 36:01

oh

[shaun]: 36:01

and good

[scott]: 36:02

yeah

[shaun]: 36:02

luck picking that college

[scott]: 36:04

yep